America not having a successful HW for some time. Possible reasons?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    America not having a successful HW for some time. Possible reasons?
    America have not had a dominant world champ for some years now and after looking at the current scene, I started looking at possible reasons.

    Possibly Americas beat HW prospect at this time is Deontay Wilder who is 20-0 (20KOs). Looks impressive, but who has he fought?

    Now look at how much tougher the European HWs are matched on the way up

    Tyson Fury in 17 fights has fought undefeated 16-0 Pajkic, undefeated 14-0 Chisora, undefeated 13-0 Nascimento, undefeated 12-0 Power and McDermott twice

    Derek Chisora in 17 fights has fought undefeated 14-0 Fury, undefeated 16-0 Helenius, D Williams and S Sexton twice

    Robert Helenius in 17 fights has fought L Brewster, A Levin, S Peter, S Liakhovich, D Chisora and undefeated 12-0 G Tony

    Could it be because of soft matching on the way up, why American HWs have tended to crumble when facing decent European opposition who seem to be matched alot tougher on the way up?

    What do you think?
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    There are more active HWs in the USA than all of Europe. E Chambers seems to be leading the way for America, yet Chambers has already fallen short at the very top. In Chambers first 20 fights he hadnt fought in as tough a level as Helenius, Fury or Chisora
     
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  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The biggest issue American heavyweights have is that no TV station is interested in the division. Whilst European fighters have RTL, Box Nation, Sky etc., the American fighters have no platform, so there's no incentive for them to fight good opponents. Why fight someone tough in a building which has 500 seats, when you could fight someone easy in a building which has 500 seats?

    The division has been killed off in America from years of bad, boring fights. I hope we see a change but I'm not sure.
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I do think America has interest. HW has been their most favoured division until they werent able to dominate. There is a gym in America called the HW factory where they are trying to train HWs to be able to compete
     
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  5. Mrboogie23

    Mrboogie23 what the?? Full Member

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    Much less exposure for boxing on sports networks. Sports shows and radio don't discuss it much if at all. So its out of the general publics eye.
     
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  6. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Easy! The wall went down in Germany and Boxing was flooded with better fighters.
     
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  7. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because there is more Countries competing than just America..........duh.
     
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  8. bailey

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    Its only not discussed due to a lack of dominance. If there was a young American HW blasting top names out he would get exposure and headline big shows in America, so lets not make out different. Not too many fighters get alot of exposure until they have done something.

    I think it could be due them being matched soft compared to how the Europeans are matched on the way up
     
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  9. Blake Rayne

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    Your trolling is elegant. Really is. Polatics?
     
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    There always were more countries than just America . But Americans havent been able to compete in the tough European scene. There are more active American boxers than active Europea boxers
     
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  11. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Honestly I just believe that American HWs abuse the limit nowadays.

    Where as Tyson, Frazier, Ali etc all came in near a trim 215-220 pounds of muscle Americans see the HW limit and use that as an excuse not to train as hard when they can make the weight no matter how fat they get.

    Look who the most succesfull HWs are :

    Klitshcko brothers - WBA/WBO/IBF/IBO/RING - WBC - Lean Muscle

    David Haye - Former WBA ( Former WBO/WBC/WBA Cruiser) - Lean Muscle

    Eddie Chambers - no world titles - Fat
    Chris Arreola - no world titles - Fat

    Its the same with other nationalities, Solis, Fury Etc.

    Enough of the bull**** that they are in other sports or there is no incentive

    Get in the Gym, get to arounf 215 llbs and work on technique and endurance. if there was a young prime HW with the physique of David Haye the HW division would be more interesting
     
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  12. horst

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    Remember that day you didn't make loads of racially motivated threads on here?















    Me neither. :rofl
     
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  13. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Without Eastern Europe competing America would still be #1 in the heavyweight division and Briton #2 Like always. Some were saying Helenius proved it was not just about Eastern Europs, but after his train wreck lastnight, its clear only the East has made the difference...
     
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  14. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Americans make the same excuses in every sport they're **** at.
     
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  15. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    3 reasons.
    Lennox Lewis
    Vitali Klitschko
    Wladimir Klitschko

    Others would be,
    Lack of interest
    Less taxing and more rewarding alternatives like Pro Football and Basketball.
     
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