Has wlad done enough such that he's began a new universally accepted lineage?

Sure! Unless you wanna be really unrealistic!

 

Yes -and it is enraging considering all those English beasts campaigning in the 90s. Stupid belts. Stupid Roy Jones.

Calzaghe too -he doesn't look so willing when you consider that he was the top man since the early 2000s and refused to prove it until 2007.

 

At first i dismissed your radical views on Sanctioning body titles. But after reflection and viewing a recent thread on the aussie forum of how Sonny bill Williams is fighting for a NZ title, I find that I am not only in agreement but i am 100 per cent in agreement. It has got so political and ridiculous to think that the current New Zealand champion is anyone but David Tua. (unless of course you consider Kali Meehan a New Zealander) recognising others just belittles the title. Likewise, I think we need to get one simple rule in place for titles. 1 Champion. If you cant establish the claim or there is any dispute then you are not the champion end of story.

I watched an Austin Trout fight recently and i heard what i think proves just how stupid the current situation is. One of the commentators (in talking about the world champion) stated something like he was so impressive in this performance that he just might be one of the best fighters in the world atsch One would hope that a world champion was one of the best fighters in the world.

I think we should push for recognised champions in the world and to be honest, i would go even further. I think we need to have a lineal rankings system. If you dont beat a top 10 fighter there should be no way in the world that you are ranked as a top 10 fighter yourself. Take away all the politics and you just might . Actually, i think that i might start a lineal rankings thread soon and see where it leads, there are so few fights between the best fighters, i dont thinik it should be all that hard to maintain.

 

When did Frazier gain lineage? When he beat Mathis, or when he beat Ellis? Don't tell me it was when he beat Ali...

Since lineage is difficult to determine, or seemingly unimportant. Is being recognized as the "Champ' all the really matters. Wlad is really the "guy" whether we can say he has the new lineage isn't relevant in rating his legacy and historical achievements, right? The whole point of this thread is basically how muddling lineage is, and how it's not the end all be all.

 

The day he was born, in the eye of a hurricane, with his arm crooked and firing left hooks saturated in
pure ****ing lightning, Peter!!!

 

Wlad did enough. Vitali resigned, signed off, and Wlad beat the number one guy, then defended against some of the better foes available.

People can argue Peter was #2 and Ibragimov was #3, but its semantics. Wlad started knocking out the top guys when Vitali sat out, and has had the better competition since Vitali came back.

He's top dog, and I call him champ.

 

Chose wrong option, I meant to say yes, Wlad is the Champ/

 

A welcome endorsement.

The more you dig into what those sanctioning bodies have done and continue to do, the more disgusted you will get.

It will be difficult to get rid of them though. I think that they have deep pockets and have compromised many. I sense a change in HBO and suspect that the new prez is friendly towards them and that is a damn shame because this has to stop. Another thing you'll notice is how they use sentiment to bolster support:

"[So-and-so] was abandoned by his parents and abused by 14 uncles and ate tree bark while homeless in Detroit. And now he is a WORLD CHAMPION (small print: WBC) with only 17 bouts!"

"What's that, you would not recognize him as WORLD CHAMPION?! (small print: WBC) Why, this is his life's dream! You'd take it away from him? You MONSTER!! Of course he's a WORLD CHAMPION (small print: WBC) because it makes him feel good and it makes us feel good! Who cares about making sense!"
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See what I'm saying?

 

I'd argue that boxing needs a workable system that identifies 17 men as the champions of their divisions. Right now there is something like 128 champions and it is utterly senseless- not only that, it hurts the sport.

I just got emailed by a reporter from Puerto Rico asking me about Wilfredo Vazquez's chances of someday getting into the IBHOF. He referred to Vazquez as a 3-time world champion. I said "no he isn't." He had belts. Sanctioning bodies are self-appointed king-makers and should have their legitimacy stripped as quickly as they strip their house champions for imagined slights. The shame is that he could have become a real champion but for the mess that is boxing today. However -this is no reflection on Vazquez who was a good fighter with or without belts.

Frazier, in mine, became champion when he defeated Ellis. Here's how I see why:

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The Ring Champions
HW-Wlad
CW- vacant
LHW- Bernard
SMW- vacant
MW- Sergio
JMW- vacant
WW- vacant
JWW- vacant
LW- Marquez
JLW - vacant
FW - vacant
JFW, BW, JBW - vacant
Fly- Pongsaklek
Jfly- vacant
straw- vacant.

My "True Successions" have sometimes radically different "lineages" than The Ring but are the same presently but for these:
HW - vacant*
LHW - Dawson**

* An open letter to Wlad: Say "No" to ma just once in your life and fight yah damn brother!

** I so hope this changes when the CA state athletic commission meets and decides on the 13th.

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Got to say though, The Ring may be compromised now that A PROMOTER insisted that it's offices move into his damn bathroom and got rid of Nigel Collins.