Darren Sutherland

Well said, he was a top lad and a very good fighter, had probably the biggest potential of that SMW group (degale, groves etc). Such a pity about the way he went

 

This thread proves why they hide it, people got offended at the fact Irva hinted he was gay. If he said he liked black women and they got offended that would make them racist right ?

Whether people like to admit it or not especially in sports like Football & Boxing, straight men can't and won't ever support a gay sports star incase there mates think they "gay".

****ing pathetic.

 

You have a personality change pretty much on an hour by hour basis. Sometimes you feign indignation at some pishy card that Box Nation don't pick up. Then you're attacking Ricky Burns as boring because it suits your anti-Nelson agenda.

You think you're some sort of provocateur, but you're just an internet troll. I don't see anything unfair or "judgemental" in my posts on the subject - I think it's ill-judged and astoundingly pathetic to say the reason he committed suicide is because he was gay.

If he was gay why would that be the major cause of his suicide? He could just have been depressed. it isn't always for a reason that can be solved. But it's pretty obvious you know nothing about that.

And how can anyone "walk" round a forum?

You, kiddo, are a complete bell end, as proved by:

Actually, what's homophobic is suggesting he committed suicide because he might have been gay.

 

You such a naive wanker

If he was gay why would that be the major cause of his suicide?

Yes, thats reason so many struggle to admit they're gay, infact many choose to hide it, many struggle to cope feeling that way and many kill themselves. Look it up dickhead.

He could just have been depressed

Yes through trying to accept he was gay ? Or maybe depressed over reading your post, since that probably suit your ego more. You choose.

But it's pretty obvious you know nothing about that.

Did i state i did twat ? Point out in which i said he was gay, i was just alluding on the point that if he was it was more disturbing how everyone reacted to the thought of him being gay.

Like i say give your preaching a rest, you boring ****.

 

It is massively ignorant to say "he might have killed himself because he was gay". Gay men aren't any more prone to suicide than straight men. In fact, the general risk group is just MEN between 16-35.

If you've got evidence of this, please send it over, because it must be so unique that my ex wasn't able to track it down during her studies. Her brother hanged himself shortly before I met her. She studied it as part of her psychology degree and unsurprisingly it became a large part of my life during the relationship.

Very few suicides are accompanied by a note so it's very rare anyone finds out the reason. No one knows what the specific psychological trigger are for suicide because there's no way to investigate the successful ones.

The only major evidence that has ever come out is that the men tend to stop communicating. So much so the charity CALM was formed:

http://www.thecalmzone.net/what-is-calm/

So I did look it up, actually. Did you?

Either way, since my issue was with Lirva and not you, I don't see why you're getting involved. Oh wait, it's because you like to get in dick-waving contests rather than say anything useful.

Fine if you think I'm being pompous, but at least I give a ****.

 

I don't have any facts, but everytime i watch Oprah or Jeremy Kyle the gays always come on depressed and struggling to accept themselves, so what do you say to that ?

Anyway on serious note my point stands peoples reactions to gay sportsmen say it all, they are not accepted whilst average gay man might find it ok to admit it, a sportsman admitting it is whole different ball game.

You ask for facts on that.............well how many footballers or boxers are openly gay ?

Now you can say maybe the sport has no homosexuals, or the fact could be it has some hidden ones. How would a gay boxer get on ? would a straight man want to fight a gay man who could get turned on by the hugging and holding. Im not joking it's worth thinking about.

What if he has a hard on ?

 

I agree with you about the way gay sportsmen are taken (no pun intended). It's tragic that so many males struggle to accept gay men will not try and **** you.

Everyone on Jeremy Kyle struggles to accept themselves, the gay guests are hardly unique there. Being an idiot and going on that show pretty much guarantees you do not represent humanity as a whole.

I asked for your facts about how many people kill themselves bebcause they're gay. You don't have any. That's not me having a go, just pointing out that what you think is me getting on my high horse is more me just challenging a lazy assumption that Lirva, and by extension you, made.

 

But Lirva said he was his mate and knew relatives of the guy who admitted he was gay, surely not even he would make that up. :think

 

The fact that family members might read this thread is reason enough for any normal decent person to hold their tongue, wonder how many would repeat this tittletattle to their face.
Nothing to do with 'homophobia' it's the same about any kind of talk, like some of the things Frankie Gavin has been subjected to on this forum. At least he's alive so he can speak for himself.

 

Lirva probably read that Darren got into a fight outside the only gay club in Bromley a few weeks before his death and assumed he was bent.

 

:good

 

first time i saw him was in the olympics and i turned to my brother and said this guy will make a great pro fighter, sad we didn't get to see it.

 

End of the day i just hope things are learned from his death, that fighters are monitored more by trainers/promoters/managers. Can't be with them 24/7 nor baby them but one conversation, one visit to see if things are good, bit of company might make that person feel better.

 

Hiding it is one thing (have you seen the homophobia among some boxing and mma sites? particularly sites like sherdog, its sickening) but killing yourself over it is something entirely different, I believe it was just terrible depression, but lets say for a moment Darren Sutherland was gay, the guy was not so closeminded that he would feel shame and kill himself over it.

I think the issue here is depression, not homosexuality

 

ive been going to the quarters, semis and finals of the iriush seniors since 1990 (**** i sound old, i was only 9 when my dad took me for the first time though).

and i can honestly say, hand on heart, that Darren was the best boxer id ever seen in the national stadium. (Brian Magee was actually second, seen him in some great fights)

i was delighted when Darren turned pro, as i truly was a "fan" of his.

his death will always be marred in mystery. unfortunetly nobody here will ever now the truth behind Darrens' suicide.

my own personal thoughts, if they are allowed, would be depression.

anybody that saw that documentary about St Saviours could see how fragile Darren actually was. it seemed he was so afraid of losing, or not performing to his own very high standards, that the fear of this could tip him over the edge.

in the documentary it showed Darren pulling out of the seniors because Darren was afraid he wouldnt do himself justice. when the fact of the matter was that he was so talented and just so damn good, he could have won the seniors being half fit. He really was that good

i still get a sick feeling in my stomach when i think of him.

as i said, i really was a "fan" of his, and enjoyed watching his fights so much. its just a massive loss to the sport. he was a great person!!