is it too late for miguel cotto to go down as an ATG

In your dreams mate.

 

Stack their careers side by side and look at body of work. Trinidas won

the Welter title, a Jr Mw belt and Two Mw belts and had wins over

de la hoya who ran the last part of the fight, a faded camancho, whitaker

a rugged brawler in vargas, and lost to b hop no shame, was schooled by

winky and lost when he was past his prime to RJJ. Now look at Cotto

one a belt at JR WW,WW, JR MW and he holds victory's over Clottey,

Judah, Mosley, Margarito, and both his lost's are looked on by most

as maybe not true losts because of the plaster situation with

margarito and the accustations that pac a cheater. So i think that

their careers are on par Cotto and Trinidad

 

Who looks on the Pacquiao loss as questionable?

It's not even so much the losses, it's the wins that aren't comparable, and most of all the ability. Cotto is simply not the kind of force that Trinidad was. He'd be about Oba Carr level in that era (although he's clearly surpassed Carr in accomplishments). And I like Cotto, I think he's a fine fighter who's made the most out his career, but he's simply not at the level of the top Puerto Rican boxers.

Let's see what else he does before we start to consider top 10 (and by top 10, I mean among Puerto Ricans).

 

It's not exactly a fixed criteria to be an ATG. Very few modern fighters stack up to the accomplishments of even the guys in the 70s and 80s. You don't see many Hagler types just fighting everyone they can and kicking ass.

Cotto is one of the best of the last decade. Brave, exciting and willing to fight everyone in and around his weight class. He's only got one clear loss to the best fighter of his ear and avenged the other loss.

However, his performances, while exciting, mark his level historically. ATGs (as fictional as they are) don't get bashed around by Corley and Torres. They don't struggle with pressure fighters as clearly as Cotto does.

And that's me as a HUGE fan, saying so.

I don't care about that stuff anyway, all I care about is enjoying these guys while they're still active.

 

Yeah go beat Floyd and Pacquiao and he's a great or at least HOF.

 

Really? Pac is a nightmare for Trinidad - good mover, high stamina, strong and a good puncher. I see a nasty beating for Tito.

 

Alot of fighters and fans think manny's a cheater i dont think that he is,

but who to say 100 percent. Iam not a Cotto guy but Trinidad is

overrated and even if he better then Cotto all i said was their on

par Trinidad is not far and above better then Cotto besides

their still the fourth or fifth best fighter from PR anyway

 

Everything put into proper perspective :good

Let's just sit back and enjoy the latter part of his career as you said. Despite falling short of greatness, he's done well for himself and is one of the few active fighters I'll miss when they retire.

 

What about those latter 3 attributes spell nightmare for Trinidad? He usually only had difficulties with movers in the early rounds before tracking them down, and it's not as if Pacquiao is some kind of elite back foot boxer. He's an angling boxer-puncher. While I agree that he'd give Tito all sorts of problems, at least early on, Tito's size, strength, punching power, and resolution would see Pac in against something he's never been before. The latter half of that fight would see him tested like never before.

He's not going out like Cotto, that much I guarantee you.

 

Cotto is one of my favorite fighters of all time and a deserved Hall of Famer. He will be remembered fondly as a man who carried himself with class and was willing to take on all comers.

He won't reach the rarified air of the true ATG's like Ali, SRR and co., but will have a nice place in boxing history. If he avenges his loss to Pac, he could make some lists.

 

Cotto fans are ******ed. He hasn't even beaten a top 5 fighter at junior middle.

 

Youre a moron.

 

Pacquiao took too many flush punches for my liking against the likes of Cotto, Margarito, and Clottey. It looked like he had to bite down and really battle to get through it, even if he wasn't hurt. I don't like his chances against a very big and pretty solidly skilled welterweight like Trinidad. Trinidad's compact punching and concussive power would be too much for Pacquiao to handle. Pacquiao doesn't have the defensive ability or ring generalship of Bernard Hopkins (and remember that Hopkins had to fight on the ropes and inside at times despite his great footwork - two things Pacquiao's not comfortable doing) or the jab/tight high-guard of Winky Wright. And he doesn't really have the power to knock Trinidad out, even if he might drop him early on. And I realize Trinidad's defense wasn't great and neither was his footwork, but the holes in his game aren't going to come into question as much as the ones in Pacquiao's game are based on styles and strengths of the two.

Think about when Pacquiao goes into those earmuffs or rests on the ropes. Holy ****. He'd feel something that would make him wish he stayed at a lighter weight.

 

Carlos Ortiz, Wilfredo Gomez, Wilfred Benitez, Felix Trinidad, Pedro Montanez, Jose Basora, Hector Camacho, Esteban De Jesus, Edwin Rosario, Sixto Escobar, and Jose Torres are all guys I'd clearly rank above Cotto. Others such as Juan La Porte and Wilfredo Vazquez are at least on a par, although I'd rank them higher.

 

I'm floored by this response. His resume at 140 and 147 is much better than your idol's.