Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson II Build-Up Thread! - WASHINGTON D.C PRESS CONF INSIDE

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ironsense would **** up relentless no bother,he is from up north,not a down south shandy drinking pansy:thumbsup

 

I like Amir and i wanna see him against Bradley. But i'll be rooting for Lamont.

 

He is fighting Lamont Peterson Laz ffs!!

 

Same as Slip, Watched Lamont for a number of years the backstory is a real life Rocky story. Lamont's no thrills no spill's he just works hard and keeps nut down and i'd love to see him winning tonight. His display against Bradley was spirited and brave tonight he will need the same as well as a sound gameplan or two!.

 

Yeah Lamont could win, this is Khans hardest test since Maidana, a fight you was right to be scared shitless off.

 

**** i have a birthday party tonight i can't decide if i should go or stay, i have another one next week too.

 

Fair do mate, but come on it's not really a shitting it fight imo, maybe I could be wrong but he should be too strong and good for Peterson, I see him taking him out late.

 

No that's a fair point. I'm just thinking along the lines of the ideal fight he would need to fight to negate Khan. Waiting on Khan, to counter, is almost like consigning himself to the fact he only has small percentage chances of winning, IE catching Khan with a counter if he makes a mistake, only that is reliant on the mistakes Khan actually makes, which for all we know might not be many, but then you ask yourself, well why have him adopt something that's not his bread and butter, something that's not who he is as a fighter? Now me personally I would just rather him go and CREATE something than wait for it to happen, as he's then reliant on the crumbs his opponent presents him with.

See I dont see adopting a counter punching strategy as forcing Khan's hand, cause it allows Khan to dictate the tempo too much and get off first. To me forcing his hand would be trying to break his rhythm, not time it. That would be almost like fighting behind the 8 ball imo.

I do agree you can punch inbetween Khan's punches. At times Maidana was able to land the right hand when he was unloading. I'm just reluctant to promote Peterson sitting back and countering because he's essentially reducing himself to having a punchers chance, cause there aint no way he's gonna be able to counter Khan consistently enough to win enough rounds to win the fight, and he's not THAT big of a puncher imo. You know thinking about it, maybe Peterson needs to do both!, maybe he can sit back and counter punch at times, and also press the action and lead off at times, maybe his perfect strategy would be somewhere in the middle?


In the past Peterson has seemed to come in a bit straight with his attacks imo, so yeah the movement could potentially offset him, but if he's been working on these strategies we might see a more adept Peterson who's been drilled throughout his camp to do these kind of things? Now you might say that's wishful thinking, and it might be, but as I say, I would prefer him to try and fight the fight he needs to than have him cosign himself to waiting for a train that may never come.

No that is a good point. I believe the key to cutting the ring down is patience. Its more of a gradual process(Hopkins-Pascal) imo. Your not supposed to come in faster, trying harder when you cant pin the guy down. Your actually supposed to be more patient imo (although not too! patient... Dzinziruk), only that is where a lot of fighters get it twisted. Take Dzinziruk, he couldn't cut the ring off well enough whilst he was being patient, and so was giving Martinez too much time and space to move and around and get off first, so he needed to change his strategy up, only he was incapable of actually working his way across the distance from behind the jab, he could only either lay back being patient, which was giving Martinez too much time and space to move around him and get off first, or neglect the jab and try to walk in, which all comes down to the fact he didn't have the right mentality to be aggressive from behind the stick. Now you might say Peterson falls into this category, which would be fair point, I agree, I just think he's better off trying to fight that ideal fight that he needs to fight, as appose to marginalizing his own chances by trying to take advantage of something, that for all we know, might not come his way. I guess I would describe it as a case of, dont wait for something to come to you, go out there and grab it, try and cease the opportunity.


If Peterson is JUST cutting the ring down effectively, that alone could cut off Khan's ability to create angles with the movement, and if that happens he might have to come down the line with his attacks, which straight off the bat has to be better for Peterson, cause Peterson could in theory try doing what Barker was able to do with Martinez, counter him coming in as he comes down the line. I know its a complete different fight, different fighters, but I believe Martinez didn't utilize enough movement to create his angles to shoot in at Barkey, and so resorted to having to come down the line with his attacks, only because of that factor Barker was able to be patient and ready to counter as he would come in.

As I say, I believe Peterson got back into the Ortiz fight because of what Ortiz wasn't doing, not what he! was doing. From what I remember Ortiz started throwing big singles in the middle part of the fight, infact I seem to recall Garcia tellling him in-between rounds, as it was making it easier for Peterson to time him coming in. Also, Ortiz is someone that has a tendency to come straight down the pipe at times imo.

I can see where you're coming from though. For all we know neither may work, or you may have it right, will be interesting to see what approach he actually does adopt though.

 

I think erroneously, these are exactly the tactics they will try & employ against Khan. Take the fight to the inside where Khan is perceived to be at his weakest. To close the range, Lamont is going to have to walk him down but he doesn't have the footspeed to manage this consistently. I think Peterson has to keep the fight at long range, use his reach and counter-punching ability. Khan is so open when he flurries he can be walked onto a fight stopping counter. Lamont is not capable of out-pointing Khan but his best chance is to go for a stoppage.

 

Interesting to see that Lamont is two pounds heavier than Khan at the IBF check weigh-in

 

Khan is not that big people think he is some monster at the weight, he would have to change his diet and take in more calories to be a strong 147, most the guys at 147 are coming down from above 160, Khan weighs 150 out of training.

 

I think this fight exposes Khan other biggest Achilles heel, his poor ring I.Q.....

 

Nah dont get me wrong, I'm not ONLY talking about pressing him from behind the jab.

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, now that doesn't mean he cant still counter, it just means he will be countering off the front whilst applying mental pressure as he's coming foward trying to gradually cut off the exits. I think Slip is on about allowing Khan to come foward, with Peterson surrendering ground and bringing him onto the punches. I think Peterson should press on the front foot from behind the jab, but also stalk and try to counter as Khan is coming in. When Khan stops moving and looks to shoot in Peterson has to be ready to counter him, but he has to use the jab to break up his rhythm and stabilize his movement at other times, that's essentially what I'm saying.

If Khan is allowed to step to Peterson cause Peterson is fighting on the back-foot he can pick his own spots. The most opportune moment to mount his offense. If Peterson is on the front foot making Khan move laterally, he will be able to apply mental pressure to MAKE him lead off, which will help extract mistakes when he's not ready to lead off but feels the mental pressure to lead off to get himself out of a vulnerable spot.


Two essential things I believe you have to do to beat Khan ............Punch with him to negate the speed, cut down his movement to stop him creating angles to move in, but dont allow him to outwork you. Slips idea negates the first two, but not the last imo.