Would JMM have beaten the 140 lb and up guys Manny beat

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  1. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Cotto would be hardest.

    Margarito, ofcourse.. would bring some physicality into it, aswell as DLH, but 147lbs DLH at that point of his career was VERY WEAK.
     
  2. Bogotazo

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    Hatton, yes. That version of Cotto, yes, but he might sustain some lasting wear-and-tear. That version of Mosley, yes. That version of DLH, probably. Margarito might be the toughest one because of the size difference, but I don't see why JMM can't fight off the back foot as well and even better evade Margarito's punches as the better defender and smaller man while counter-punching.

    A few of them are question marks, a few are guaranteed wins considered the condition they were in, but barely any are guaranteed wins against JMM to anyone with a brain.
     
  3. EnterTheDragon

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    He lost in a SD to Floyd a year before. So he went from near prime with Floyd to completely shot? And it wasn't like Pac walked him down. Pac attacked him from all angles and cut him up with speed.
     
  4. Bogotazo

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    Hatton, yes. That version of Cotto, yes, but he might sustain some lasting wear-and-tear. That version of Mosley, yes. That version of DLH, probably. Margarito might be the toughest one because of the size difference, but I don't see why JMM can't fight off the back foot as well and even better evade Margarito's punches as the better defender and smaller man while counter-punching.

    A few of them are question marks, a few are guaranteed wins considered the condition they were in, but barely any are guaranteed wins against JMM to anyone with a brain.
     
  5. MrMagic

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    Look at how his body looked at 147lbs, and he quite obviously didn't rehydrate for fight night. He just looked ghastly, BAD. Against Floyd he was 154lbs and off of a Mayorga TKO victory.
     
  6. Wig

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    He would have smashed oscar the friendly ghost but my gran would have beat that version of oscar and she's been dead for ten years (allah rest her soul)
     
  7. EnterTheDragon

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    I know you're a Dinamita fan, but this is getting ridiculous. Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley would have put a beating on him. He went to war with B level Diaz and Katsidis, both of whom would get clobbered by the welters.
     
  8. EnterTheDragon

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    All things were even considering that Pac was going up to welterweight (2 divisions) for the first time.
     
  9. pahapoisu

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    He would have brutalized Hatton and beaten Oscar.
    I just dont see them all stopping him. Its just a ridiculous thought :rofl
     
  10. Bogotazo

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    How did those "B level" fighters give Marquez more trouble than Pacquiao then? He was fighting top ranked fighters of his division on their best nights in their physical prime, not faded legends.

    Mosley barely had anything left in the tank to draw with Mora, and was just too hesitant to pull the trigger anymore. How's he going to outbox Marquez?

    Cotto's technical flaws were exaggerated in his fight with Pacquiao. Why wouldn't Marquez exploit that high guard with body-punching and uppercuts? He'd likely get hit less as well.

    Clottey, well, if he shelled up so badly against Pacquiao, Marquez, despite his lesser speed, would give him plenty to think about over 12 throwing such numerous combinations. Clottey could convicably win the fight on his defense, size, and accuracy, but it's hardly a given considering his talent on giving away rounds on inactivity.

    Margarito's not a given either due to style and size, but if Pacquiao won largely by fighting backwards, there's no reason to believe Marquez can't do it just as well, especially as the superior defender.

    On paper, it seems unlikely, but if you actually break down their abilities and tendencies on the night they fought Pacquiao, it's hard to give valid scenarios in which JMM is not at least competitive.
     
  11. texboxing00

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    Cotto would be a excellent fight could go either way, Hatton yes, mosley yes, Margarito..maybe, clottey I would say no and I think the clottey we saw against pac.wasent clottey himself either...
     
  12. hammerofthor

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    juan would stop hatton late imo, and beat the versions of mosley and hoya that pac fought to. cant see him beating Cotto and Margarito though. not sure about clottey
     
  13. v2k987

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    He whoops Hatton...

    I don't think he beats anyone else.

    In fact i think he would find it very hard to survive 12 rounds with Margarito and Cotto
     
  14. Smokin' Joe

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    He probably wouldn't hurt Margarito, and then the sheer size difference.. that'd be a tough one for him. I could see him giving Miguel problems at Welter. 50/50 maybe. I could see him beating the faded Mosley Pacquiao beat and look better doing it than Pacquiao did too. He'd destroy Ricky.
     
  15. MAIN

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    If **** drinker was able to do what manny did he would've done it

    **** drinker had a lot of options at 140: Peterson, ortiz, maidana, khan (all with gb), alexander, holt, bradley, and also even had berto at 147 and mosley at 47 (also with gb), but instead he got an ass kicking from lil floyd and he stayed at 135 and fought baby bull again and then katsidis

    i give props to **** drinker, he's the metallo to manny's superman, but no way does he beat any of those guys that manny beat 140 and up (his best chance would've been a real close fight against hatton, but that would've went to the cards, and well, we all know what happens to **** drinker when its left to the cards and close)