What a complete shambles

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Earl-hickey, Dec 10, 2011.


  1. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    This will be a long post as after watching that I have a few things to get off my chest so please bear with me.

    Petersen

    First off congratulations to Lamont Petersen, he is a tireless hard working guy who has pulled himself up from nothing to become a champion in every sense of the word, the man is a role model and deserves full respect.

    The sad part is that only now (I hope) will Petersen get even a measure of the respect and admiration he deserves, to come from a background like his and then be virtally ignored by your local media and public when he is fighting to become a WORLD CHAMPION in his hometown is a ****ing disgrace, he will be paraded around now as the pride of DC and good on him, but shame on the paraders because even after coming from what he did you wankers didnt want to know the man until he literally reached the top. For shame and what a stain on boxing that kind of disrespect is. They say boxing is dying and with this kind of thing who can disagree?

    Khan (& Roach)

    Hmm where to start on him, well they say hindsight is 20/20 but looking back the warning signs were all there. First off they selected a fighter that most thought would be able to "make it close" and then they put the fight on in his hometown. Secondly they select the kind of "boxer" known to be troublesome to the roach style. They know Khan slows down late, they also know Petersen survives early trouble and adapts coming on strong down the stretch, and last they underestimate a guy who defines "underdog".

    It's time for Roach and Khan to part ways, it may seem a knee jerk, and Freddie has done a good job with Khan, but thats the point his "job" has reached its conclusion, there is nothing more to learn, Khan has perfected "the roach style", it is the style roach teaches and as seen recently with Pac-Marquez and now Khan-Petersen it has it's flaws, they are now well known and Roach doesnt know how to correct those flaws. Many may have Khan ahead on their scorecards, and I wont disagree, I feel Khan did shade the fight, but it doesnt matter.

    Khan has more talent and ability than Petersen, he should be able to beat fighters like Petersen, but he isnt as well "educated" as Petersen, not with Roach. Khan needs a trainer now to tell him how to fight in the pocket, how to defend an uppercut and how to fight inside and not to lay on the ****ing ropes. Khan needs someone to teach him new things.

    If Khan rematches petersen with Roach in the corner he will lose more convincingly, if he rematches him with a trainer who works with him on inside game he will win.

    Finally this fight puts the lid on Pac-PBF imo and GOD FORBID PBF-Khan, the hit and run style would be ruthlessly exposed by Mayweather, who knows more about "boxing" than Pac, Khan and Roach combined have forgotten.
     
  2. gob-bluth

    gob-bluth Member Full Member

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    **** that will read tommorow haha
     
  3. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Disagree. Everything good khan did after Prescott is down to being at wildcard with roach.

    Regarding khan being more talented, again I disagree. He maybe more gifted in terms of speed of hand and throwing flurries, but he has big gaps in his armour.

    Inside fightiing is very very weak and has been spotted before. When he throws he lunges in off balance and looking very ameaturish arm flailing and smothering his own punches as he squares up.

    After the first few rounds khan power/speed decreases and are just shoe shining. Lamont and maidana were walking him down late and just walking thorugh his arm punches.

    Maybe we need to accet khan is not going to make the highest level, e.g. Floyd and PAC. But will give great fights with the likes of Peterson, Bradley, Ortiz and berto.

    Also, wildcard has taken some major setbacks in recent weeks, even with the pacquiao "win". Freddy may need to re evaluate his horses
     
  4. almsn

    almsn Guest

    I read it good read .I can't see him leaving Roach though tbh .
     
  5. namsu55

    namsu55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good posts above. I also believe like the poster above that Roach is probably no longer for Khan. I don't like the fact that Khan can't control the pace of the fight, he circles around the ring and tries to avoid punches but in this case we saw Peterson effectively cut the ring off quite fast. Khan style needs to be something different, I don't see Khan going far with it here on up IMO.
     
  6. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    As I said, Roach HAS done well with Khan but has nothing more to teach, yes Khans inside game is ****, so is Pacquiao's, ROACH doesnt understand inside game, Khan needs a trainer to TRAIN him to fight inside.

    Im fine with Khan not being P4P number one, im not even upset he lost, but he CAN beat a guy like Petersen but he NEEDS someone to teach him some new looks.
     
  7. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I doubt any trainer in the world could change khan now. He might learn a few new moves on the inside and how to clinch and smother, but he can't change the fifhter that he is now.

    Fundamentally, khan will always through flurries like he does, it's in his DNA. And when it becomes a war like tonight, he will just revert back to type.

    I wonder what roach would think about putting him in with Brandon rios after tonight's performance?
     
  8. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    lest we forget Khan is only 25, he's younger than an unknown Andre Ward was upon entering the super 6, I'm not going to write him off as a lost cause, but there cant be any ****ing around, there needs to be a change and it needs to be now, if not Khan will have to settle for being title holder level in his career.
     
  9. Redondo5

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    I think he will have to settle for that level.

    You don't get to floyds level just by changing trainer and hoping you can learn a whole new dimension at his age.
     
  10. Earl-hickey

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    Pac lost UD to Morales at Khans age and was a good but not great fighter


    oh wait.......
     
  11. Redondo5

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    Ok, good point. But I think that's what make floyd and PAC special. Also, PAC lost to morales who is an ATG especially at that weight. Also Pac stayed wuth roach. His stylistic nightmare was Marquez and even after all these years with roach he couldn't beat him decisively.

    If khan wants Peterson to be his version of morales, he needs to do what Pac did in his next fights.
     
  12. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    To be fair Pac also has the equaliser in his brutal power which Khan lacks.

    I just dont want to write the kid off, I wish him good luck hes still one of our best and i want to see hi do well
     
  13. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Khan trusts Roach implicitly and there's no denying that the career he's carved out in the last 3 years since the wreckage of the Prescott defeat has been superb. This isn't a defeat in the previous sense of the word. Just one that kills the momentum that seemed to be gathering pace and rushing headlong towards Mayweather... Well thank **** THAT never came to fruition.

    I agree with your points but I just can't see Khan going elsewhere.
     
  14. dazzpowder

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    Who could Khan switch to as a trainer? Mayweaher Snr?
     
  15. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Losing a close fight to a guy who was better than most Khan fans thought hardly closes the book on him. Without the point deductions, Khan would have won that.

    What Roach needs to focus on is getting Khan to be more assertive and hold less. That's not a big ask.

    No surprise that Earl Hickey, fresh from his Cotto-hating posting on the GF, makes another **** thread.