What a complete shambles

I actually think the OP is put together quite well. Obviously, we can all see Khan has quite big flaws but I'm not sure leaving Roach would be a wise move because to be honest he doesn't look like he's going to change.

Yes he learnt more after the Prescott defeat but before that he was very raw and didn't seem to have much, if any, understanding of the tactical side of the sport. He had previously just relied on his speed to blow over his domestic level opponents. He couldn't fail top learn by going to Roach. Now however, he is more mature and experienced but still makes routine mistakes which he pays the price for. His defence still basically consists of running which is awful to watch and causes him more trouble down the stretch anyway.

What I'm getting at is that Khan to me looks like a fighter who has fallen into a style which he can't really move away from. It's worked for him but also let down at world level. I don't see how leaving Roach, who is one of the top trainers in the sport, will lead to a drastic improvement in him but it's clear that they do need to work together to refine Khan if he wants to continue fighting in that style.

 

I like khan but can't help but be happy for peterson. He's such a humble and done to earth guy and deserves the big fights and paydays. But really from khans point of view he must b kicking himself with the 2 point deduction for fouling, bcos without it he would have won a unanimous decision.

 

I wouldn't want to see Khan seperate from Roach. I think it's good to have a coach for a long time, and if that fight had happened elsewhere it would have been a close win in an exciting fight.

I think Khan and Roach should be given a chance to show they can fight on the inside, or otherwise adapt to the sort of style Peterson and Maidana have. It could also be possible that Roach has taught Khan what to do in that situation but Khan didn't listen or take it seriously enough. Getting rid of Roach seems like a knee jerk reaction

Bear in mind Khan may never again fight with a ref like that in the ring with him. In most fights pushing doesn't result in point deductions or the ref will pull fighters apart so AK wouldn't have to push Peterson off him. If so the infighting isn't as important if Khan can learn to tie up effectively

 

Khan is off the Roids...
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100% agree. People talking about him ditching roach when if it wasn't for his own stupidity of pushing and getting deducted 2 points he'd have won the fight.

 

Considering he's coached two incredible inside fighters; James Toney and Marlon Starling, I would say this is not correct. He complimented those fighters well, and fought on the inside himself.

Some fighters just aren't adept there. My main problem is that Amir is still throwing just for the sake of it, he's still wild as he progresses in his combinations and still languishes on the ropes far too much.

Bradley had very little difficulty with Peterson. Ortiz also gave too many rounds away, as Amir did. Difference being that Peterson took the fight to Khan and took away his mid-range flashy work.

As I said after the Maidana fight, might not take a big puncher to beat Khan but a more refined inside fighter. I'll hold my hands up and say I had no idea Lamont was capable of that kinda' performance. It's clear to see Bradley would've had no issues with Khan whatsoever! I bet he's kicking himself now.

Khan; quite negative at times. The fight was very close and could've gone either way, I have little issues with the decision nor the point deductions.

Khan can come back but has some inherent flaws in his game that any trainer will really struggle to iron out. He's a fighter who trades on his athleticism. Once and for all he has been shown up as a fighter with very few technical nuances.

I think Peterson caught lightning in a bottle last night, fought his heart out and nicked a close one. It happens.

 

I just think he unravelles under pressure, can't maintain his punch form at all.

A fighter like Hopkins, Mayweather or Marquez even can retreat and look effective, because they punch accurately and set traps for the opponent to fall into.

All Khan did was encourage Peterson more and more. Unless some improvements are made I'd back Peterson to do a job on him again.

 

How'd ya' score it BB? I had it 6-6, with Lamont winning on the deductions.

 

Same, the judges that had it 113-112 had identical cards to mine.

Not a hard fight to score I don't think.

 

I honestly think a lot of what Khan learns in the gym goes out of the window once he starts feeling pressure in the ring. Against Zab he was allowed to fight at his own pace and looked great - technically very sound at range and all that.

But against Maidana and now Peterson once the opponent starts putting him on the backfoot he much prefers to have a tear-up and lay against the ropes trying to fight fire with fire and prove he can take a punch.

We know your chin is a lot better now Amir, you don't need to prove it and thre's really no need for all that showboating, hands-in-air celebrations to tell everyone you can take your opponents punch.

And he didn't do himself any favours with the judges with the running away. He'd land a flashy combo and literal round halfway round the ring with Peterson stalking him. Gaz called it last night about how the judges would see that. They're going to favour the come forward fighter.

Whatever we may think of Khan's performance, the judges, the ref....that was a GREAT fight!

 

Good post, but I don't think it's just trying to prove he can take a punch, he just isn't consistent enough with his application and his ring I.Q is clearly pretty low. He also has no inside game so when caught on the ropes he takes a bunch.

Every so often he'll spring off the ropes and try and maintain his mid-range flurries, but what's that saying? Everybody has a plan until they get hit? Well, for Khan it's until he gets in the ring he just relies on his athleticism, bravery and instinct to get him through. Not a bad combination, but as I've said before this is not the kinda' guy whose going to go on to have a long and storied career, the way he fights does not lend itself to longevity, although it does lead to exciting fights!!!

Still, his punching form can be ragged. I said before that he just moves his hands really fast sometimes for the sake of it. When he does pick his spots and dig in he looks ace (especially when he tucks shots in to the body), but again, he is not consistent with it and as he progresses into his combinations (flurries) he becomes more and more open.

Let's be honest, Peterson put in a workmanlike performance. Khan just isn't rounded enough to consistently pull off his game. So fun to watch though, and still class depite a close loss against someone just inside the top ten.

It happens, I hope we don't see loads of rash 'he isn't World class' and 'he's finished' proclamations, he isn't perfect but he's still right at the top of his division with lots more success to come.

 

Just wondering what was everyone's thoughts on Round 3 and 4, I think they were the crucial rounds IMO.

Before that Khan had won Round 1 and 2, and other than a few sticky moments in Round 2, he looked like he could stay on the outside and get the better of it, even with the few effective counter shots coming from Peterson.

But then Khan sat on the ropes and went into machismo mode when Peterson went hell for loose and went straight for Khan in Rounds 3 and 4. After those rounds Peterson took a lot of himself but importantly also took a lot out of Khan, and that was as much to do with Peterson changing his tactics and going gung ho as Khan allowing himself to fight Peterson's fight and getting caught with a lot of shots he shouldn't have, especially to the body.

Thereafter after he realised he couldn't stay in the pocket with Peterson, Khan's punching form was not the same and he would just turn and out right ran from Peterson. When you do that it does not look good to a judge who is looking for Effective Aggression and Ring Generalship.

 

I think that a sustained body attack could have discouraged Peterson a bit more, he sometimes gets caught between trying to bang his way out of trouble and full on retreat mode.

Like Flea said, sometimes he just moves his hands quickly for the sake of it and doesn't pick his shots particularly well. His movement is excessive too which only wastes energy and causes him to throw punches whilst off balance.


Sell us McCarthy, please!!!!

 

I think that Peterson made Khan fight at such an uncomfortable pace that he was really struggling to get any rythm going and his already limited Ring IQ basically went out of the window. Khan has always done that excessive circling away from his opponent, Roach badly need to get him to stop doing that because it is a huge hindrance to Khan when he starts doing that. The good think about a fight like last nights is that if Khan can learn from it he will become a far better fighter thanks to that.

You can have McCarthy for £1.5 million, 25% sell on clause and an additional £1million if you get promoted. With McCarthy out next week, will that mean Rachubka is back in goal for you, not to worry if he is, not as if we are completely reliant on our wing play and getting balls into the Box :good

 

Naazim Richardson ??