What a complete shambles

Sorry mate ,

I disagree , Lamont Peterson is a very talented , well rounded fighter with a glittering ama background , Khan just because he's on the front page of Vogue isnt the better man in terms of pure talent / skill , he may have adapted his pro style to make him an equal or better than Peterson AS A PRO FIGHTER , but in terms of pure talent / ability its not a given ...........

You cannot teach an old dog new tricks , Khan is not an inside fighter , its as simple as that , the fact he's actually even throwing body shots , and solid ones , is a credit to the schooling he's receiving from Roach , yes he has to have an inside game to make it at the top , but thats never going to be his go too tactic , the inside game is by and large a fighters natural instinct and ring craft / style , apart from some basic defensive techniques .

Lets not forget either that its the sparring Amir is receiving at the WC not only the technique that Roach is teaching that Khan needs , he's a young active world class level fighter the WC gym is exactly where he needs to be and remain .

In summary Peterson is no tomato can , and Khan ............. lets be real was unlucky , the Peterson that turned up to fight Khan was a more focused and determined man that entered the ring against Tim Bradley , and that fight was not exactly a blow out now was it , Khan needs to stop ****ing tweeting and playing the celebrity and get focused on being a world champion , something i fear he's incapable of :deal

 

:yep I'd always said that this is a defining fight as to where Khan actually is on the radar & what now is evedent for me is that Khan dos'nt have the real KO power required to beable to apply the finish the job in the required brutal fashion when he's got his man in trouble. As you said he's wide open especially for the left counter. This fight has now convinced me that it's just a case of "when" & not "if" he gets obliterated, the move to 147 is a death sentence as athletisism without the required skilz at the highest level is only posponing the inevitable. His Manny inpersonations are a handicap in the extreame, it's speed for speed sake, not enough quality, not enough combo's.

He dos'nt seem to be able to mix it up or be able to step in & out & employ lateral movememnt mid range so in effect he's predictable. He just dos'nt appear smooth in his work & obviously the peterson camp studied the Maidana tape & found the tactics that will be the downfall of Khan by jumping on him & at 147 he's gonna have some real problems but there's always the careful matchmaking by GBP that will no doubt prolong the life of the golden goose until it's chopped up at the annointed time.:yep

Yes i think that we can forget about Mayweather as that will be embarrasing in the extreame as Floyd will KO him whenever he feels like it or the round his crew have lumped on the $$$$$:smoke

I'am a massive fan of Khan, i really like the kid, but this was a crossroads fight for me & it definetly answered the questions as to where he goes from here & what sort of future awaits him:think

Ortiz to KO Khan in 3 if there is no significant improvement:bbb

 

I think khan is respectable at world level. It's just he won't reach the peaks of the elite of the elite I.e. Mayweather or pacquiao. But everyone else in or around that is a good entertaining fight. Ortiz, Bradley, riod, matthyse and berto, could all be entertaining. His big problem now is that people and especially high pressure power punches would have seen the blueprint to beat khan.

Peterson is good, but he needs to bend down to pressure and bang to the body. Guys like Bradley woulD make it an infight from the beginning and others like matthyse would pressure and goto the body from the start. In his defence, the first few rounds khan is super fast and seems to have good dig. It's only after he eats some big shots does he lose the crip punching, which then means it's harder to keep the pressure off him. Both maidana and Peterson seemed to be walking through his punches later on.

To improve and win the fights against the other top guys he must learn to fight on the inside. His movement etc also needs work, but the infighting is the most crucial part he needs to develop, otherwise the Brandon rios of the world will always cause him big problems

 

Firstly congratulations to Lamont Peterson, Kinda feel proud the guy did it as i've been a fan for a while and did worry maybe he'd be a underachiever. He showed the dog he always had in him and deserved the win IMHO.

With regards to Khan i believe his mental flaws cost him immensely last night, it was about mentality's and Khan although having heart of a warrior lacked the all round game to handle Peterson. Khan's never ever been comfortable on the inside and prefers to work from outside and raid.

Khan is a talented guy anyone denying that is foolish but a major part of any sport is the mental aspect and for a while i've sensed Khan's become more and more arrogant about his ability. Confidence is one thing but he was looking far to far ahead and it was getting like a warm up fight for him and the fans before securing a lucrative fight at 147. Khan's comeback after Prescott brought out a humility that won me as a fan for a while. He seemed willing to knuckle down and learn and barring some helpful match making you could see improvements when working with Freddy.

Fast forwarding to the Judah fight, Amir looked really sloppy against McCloskey and attributed blame to his then conditioner which kinda riled me because it wasn't conditioning that was the problem IMO. Against Judah he really impressed me and i refused to predict last nights fight due to Khan's inconsistent performances as well as Peterson's slow starts in fights. Anyways with Judah, Amir worked well from the outside and busted him up but i was speaking to a few lads i coach and said i'm not reading to much into that display as Judah was damaged goods and mentality weak plus Khan's erratic.

Last night Khan started well but Sky i felt were over playing his start for me i said early into the RBR of fight he's holding feet and trading. He didn't think about his work nor set it up. He was coming in on straight lines and his hand placements weren't giving him ability to defend counters. Khan become far to confident and i believe Peterson hurt him to body in round 2 or 3 and that's the moment fight changed. Peterson was given success and a foothold and Khan was for first time in a year being pressed and that's what i've wanted for a while.

I believe Khan's match making over last 24-36 months didn't help him for last night he's not been fighting pressure fighters and he just had no answer to Peterson's relentless pressure. Lets face it Peterson didn't even have to work way in he just forced Khan's hand. Khan's punches for me were quick but had no purchase or quality at time i felt the ring general was Peterson i felt he was punching with quality and intent and that's what got him the fight really.

Khan didn't want to fight on inside, if this fight took place here or elsewhere with a different ref he most probably got away with it. He's been getting away with it for far to long, holding and pushing and ref's breaking up any infighting. The referee for me made the fight entertaining and i'd like to see more ref's with his mentality.

With regards to Khan and Roach i believe Freddy now knows that Khan's a loose cannon and will never be able to operate mentally under pressure whilst keeping gameplan.

I'm shocked at lack of inside improvements such as the facedown,pull full guard and close eyes and hope they hit gloves technique. I believe Khan may have gone as far as he could with Roach in terms of tactics as Roach has implement pretty much same routine and every time Khan's been pressed he's fallen apart in one way or another.

The worry for any Khan fan after last night is fact he can fall back on excuses, if he's true to himself he'll know he's got a lot of things to improve on.

 

Sorry for long post, could of said a lot more because it's that much of a talking point but i kept it as short as i could .

 

I thought the ref did a great job. I remember thinking that Khan was going to find it really difficult to deal with a ref not letting him away with fouls since he was used to preferential treatment back home and it was clear to see that he was looking to the ref for help on some occasions. It was help that he normally would have gotten but not this time.

I thought Watt called the fight pretty spot on to be fair, he had it 113-112 peterson. Even Macklin was fair and he continually reminded us that there is a difference between boxing and running and that Khan was running rather than boxing. Nick Halling was too pro-Khan for my likings.

 

Agree totally Livra, Macklin was solid last night, i muted commentary at end of round 1 when Hailing was raving about Khan and saying Petersons on verge of being blown away. Embarrassing for large parts he was and was glad Peterson made a fool of that early prediction because i didn't see a guy overawed in round 1. I saw a guy who got bundled over on at least one occasion.

 

keep-em coming, It was factual:good

As you said we all could proberbly fill 4 pages, but overall on here the posts are all in agreement & mirror each other. Good point on the fact that peterson did'nt even have to feint his way in onto Khans chest, it was a walk down & as an earlier poster said it's the Brandon Rios's of this world are going to be Khan's kryptonite unless he re-evaluates his whole outlook mentally & a boxing perspective. True props to peterson though, it's good to see an old school genuine guy get his hard won rewards.

 

i never enjoy watching a british fighter loose on any stage.
i respect amir for taking on the calibre of fighters that he has since prescott,,
,,but,,
he cannot deal with fighters that don't allow him the time or room to work.
he has what i call "champions arrogance".(which is good if you can back it up!)
his way is the only way he knows and i believe he underestimated petersons resolve gained from a tough upbringing and dedication in training.
the point deuctions are his own fault , he was given enough warning and didn't have the skills to tie lamont up and work him on the inside.this is what lost him the fight..and FAIRLY !
his "cheated not defeated" comments are disrespectfull to lamont and shows he probably has not learnt from this outing by not taking accountability for this loss.
he probably has reached his level and his ambitions/delusions of a pbf fight should be shelved for now.
stay with roach,,,become humble and respectfull,,he can come again with more ringcraft and improve.
he was bragging a year or so ago saying "i'm a p.p.v fighter" all the time, when imo he hadn't earnt it and had leapfrogged some levels too quickly.

made up for peterson though a deserved champion...:good

 

Khan has horrible inside fighting game. At range he is sound but if you go hunting for him Khan just crumbles.

Not impressed with Khan to be honest. Without his speed he isn't all that.

 

He isn't all that 'sound' from mid-range either.

 

:good Cheers mate, totally agree with you Khan's gonna struggle with pressure fighters who tbh don't even need to be educated about it. Just press forward and let hands go and Khan's in trouble.

 

To be honest Peterson didn't impress me that much. He wasn't cutting the ring off particularly well, he wasn't using the jab on the way in the way Barry Hunter was asking him to, and he wasn't active enough, which is probably why Amir Khan did win the fight on activity. Even when Peterson saw that he could cause Khan major problems I did't think he really seized his opportunity, as he was still doing for too much waiting at times and allowing Khan to get off first. Someone like Bradley would have glued himself to Amir Khan and stayed consistent the entire fight with that kind of encouragement

Peterson was tough, but he generally is, he was in the Bradley fight imo

 

Yep he doesn't know how to cut the ring down but tbh Barry turned into the black Jack Loew. 'Use the Jab, double it, triple it', Lamont didn't listen and tbh i think he was right in a way. Barry needs to show him how to cut the ring off because that's how to beat Khan back him up and cut ring down and trap him and work.

 

I dont think Peterson is capable of punching on the way in. He only seems capable of walking in, then unloading. That to me is because of his temperament as a fighter. It takes balls (composure)to fight a medium between Boxing and aggression. Take Mike Tyson, people think he was a bad ass cause he looked so devastating, only I think that was because he was so pent up by fear/nerves that he would instantly try and project his fear onto his opponents, he couldn't fight a controlled fight with that fear, and that is part of why he fought the way he did imo. It takes more balls to Box and stay composed under pressure whilst someone is throwing big punches at you than it does to come out like Tyson.

Fighting with fear is harder than trying to get rid of it by being aggressive.