Your Top 15 All-Time P4P

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  1. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Harry Greb
    2. Ray Robinson
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Sam Langford
    5. Bob Fitzsimmons
    6. Ezzard Charles
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Packey McFarland
    9. Joe Gans
    10. Benny Leonard
    11. Muhammad Ali
    12. Willie Pep
    13. Barney Ross
    14. Charley Burley
    15. Archie Moore
     
    El Bujia, Dec 11, 2011
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  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    1. Greb
    2. Armstrong
    3. Robinson
    4. Langford
    5. Charles

    6. Duran
    7. B. Leonard
    8. Ali
    9. Ross
    10. Fitzsimmons

    11. Canzoneri
    12. Pep
    13. Walker
    14. McLarnin
    15. Barbados Joe
     
    Flea Man, Dec 11, 2011
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  3. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1) Ray Robinson
    2) Muhammad Ali

    3) Henry Armstrong
    4) Harry Greb

    5) Willie Pep
    6) Sugar Ray Leonard
    7) Roberto Duran
    8) Roy Jones Jr

    9) Ezzard Charles
    10) Manny Pacquiao
    11) Pernell Whitaker

    12) Joe Louis
    13) Ruben Olivares
    14) Evander Holyfield
    15) Rocky Marciano
     
    Pachilles, Dec 11, 2011
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  4. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread ", applies to this thread. For example,what does the term greatest P4P fighter truly mean ? Does it mean to dominate your weight class more effectively than any other fighter in your weight division ? Or does it mean that your ability to do the much more difficult task of fighting "the bigger boys",very often and whipping them...As Shakespeare wrote, "that is the question "?...
    On the basis of their great ability to go beyond their weight class, in effect to "carry more weight " as a champion thoroughbred must do, and overcome your weight handicap, is to me at least, the true meaning of best P4P boxers in history... On this basis my top 10 fighters are-
    1- Harry Greb [ 300 bouts, seldom losing,never kod,except for prelim 1st year, and for the last few years, with sight of one eye].
    2- Bob Fitzimmons -[ a middleweight in a heavyweight's torso], kod Dempsey,than flattened top heavyweights in a long career.]
    3- Sam langford, short and heavier than Greb, flattened heavyweights,
    and at last part of career virtually sightless]
    4- Henry Armstrong- [a dynamo] was unbeatable for many years, but did not have the ability of a Greb to avoid punches. Every fight a war...
    5- Mickey Walker [p the Toy Bulldog was a middleweight who went to war against top heavyweights, fearing no one and prospered..
    6- Ezzard Charles [ a great MW,morphing into a great Light HW].

    Now for the top 5 fighters who fought mostly in their division and excelled.
    1- Ray Robinson- [greatest all around fighter ever ]
    2-Benny Leonard [had everything. LW dominance for 7 years]
    3- Joe Louis [ greatest combination puncher in history ]
    4- Jack Dempsey [before Hollywood, a 187 pound terror ,a killer attitude]
    5- Roberto Duran, [ a smaller and lighter version of Jack Dempsey ]
    Hon. mention- Gans/ Walcott /Dillon/ Pep/Burley,Marciano/Frazier/ Moore/
    Ali of course...
     
    burt bienstock, Dec 11, 2011
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  5. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack Dempsey a top 5 P4Plber:patsch:patsch Derp Derpstock has to go there
     
    Pachilles, Dec 11, 2011
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dempsey excelled more in his own division...than Muhammad Ali? Than Marvin Hagler? Than Carlos Monzon? Than Joe Gans? I don't think he even excelled more in his own division than Jack McAuliffe. In a way this sort of thing is good for me, because it's not that hard to argue Liston above Dempsey, and he's my favourite. Funsies.
     
    McGrain, Dec 11, 2011
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yeah i've concluded a top 50 just isn't good enough considering the amount of greats the sport has had.

    Even guys like packey, gibbons and darcy and other forgotten greats.
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 11, 2011
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  8. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mc, you are correct in the fact that Ali excelled in the era of the best heavyweight contenders. Hands down ...I meant to put Dempsey in the first category where at 187 pounds he flattened fighters 25-50 pounds heavier than he was. I meant to put him and Jack Dillon in the first category, in their ability to destroy much bigger men than they were...Sorry.
     
    burt bienstock, Dec 11, 2011
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    In that case you've ranked him ahead of Barbados Joe Walcott p4p, which is worse.
     
    McGrain, Dec 11, 2011
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  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks PAL....
    P.S. I already explained to McGrain.....
     
    burt bienstock, Dec 11, 2011
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  11. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    01. Sugar Ray Robinson
    02. Sam Langford
    03. Ray Leonard
    04. Muhammad Ali
    05. Harry Greb
    06. Henry Armstrong
    07. Pernell Whitaker
    08. Roberto Duran
    09. Ezzard Charles
    10. Marvin Hagler
    11. Ike Williams
    12. Joe Louis
    13. Tony Canzoneri
    14. Joe Frazier
    15. Salvador Sanchez
     
    sugarsean, Dec 11, 2011
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  12. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I ranked Barbados Joe Walcott too low I suppose. As a 5ft1" WW, Walcott beat LHs as Joe Choynski, George Gardner, HW Dan Creedon,
    drew with Sam Langford, Phil. Jack O'Brien... Hell, this Walcott belongs in the top 5 P4P fighters in history. Nat Fleischer who saw all Welterweights
    from Walcott to Kid Gavilan, had Walcott # 1... He might be right !. Cheers...
     
    burt bienstock, Dec 11, 2011
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  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Fighters that I have seen decent footage of (rough order).....

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Henry Armstrong
    Muhammad Ali
    Willie Pep
    Ezzard Charles
    Roberto Duran
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Joe Louis
    Pernell Whitaker
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Thomas Hearns
    Alexis Arguello
    Marvelous Marvin Hagler
    Salvador Sanchez
    Floyd Mayweather
     
    Bill Butcher, Dec 11, 2011
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  14. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anyone here purchased or read the Langford book by Clay Moyle? Seen nothing but five star reviews for what is acclaimed to be the most definitive, factual work published on Langford.
     
    TAC602, Dec 11, 2011
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  15. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yup, and sadly I'm only starting to explore his career and resume. A couple weeks ago I didnt even have him among my top five welterweights which is something of a travesty.

    Can only wonder what he still couldve accomplished if not for the shooting incident.
     
    TAC602, Dec 11, 2011
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