Neutral judge had Khan winning, the two Americans scored for Peterson

US don't know the word FAIR as we do. Have US ever been in a FAIR fight ever...........................?????

US-fighters always fight at home....what are the odds to see Mayweather go abroad...............????

Your are talking to fans, who thinks fighting at home, home ref, home judges and home cocking is fair........................................:verysad

 

:think Not sure why the "term" big fight is important for the point in discussion as I just said big fight because the poster I was replying to said it.

The truth is all boxing fights should try and avoid any bias in the officiating, but we know that's not always a viable option. So as long as it's possible efforts should go towards creating an objective judging row and choosing an objective ref.

Describing a big fight is subjective, there could be a title involved, it could be an elimitation bout, or it could just be an appealing fight to the general public. However, the higher the significance of the fight or the more interest it creates, the more carefully the boxing officials should be chosen because any "black eye" for the sport will have a more powerful negative impact on the sport.

I don't know if Johan Perez's bout last night was big because I don't think I know who he is and much less who he was fighting. Maybe I've seen him, but right now I'm not sure who he is.

 

I had it 6-6 in rounds. A moral draw, bull**** knockdown and bull**** point deductions (at least in terms of how that process was undertaken) notwithstanding.

Very good fight and warrants a rematch. I'm inclined to score against a guy backing up as much as Khan did during the latter rounds, but I know I gave him one or two of those because Peterson did little.

 

The reason I mentioned the Perez fight was it was a WBA "interim" Light Welterweight title fight, basically...there is a LOT of fights on, your going to need a LOT of good officials from a multitude of countries to cover all the fats. If you just cover "big" fights with good officials, then what do we consider worthy of "good" officials? Do we just do major fights in the UK, Germany, USA with good officials or do we send them to Mexico, Panama, Thailand and South Africa every day of the week?

 

Ok, well that's a fair point. Honestly like I said before, basically anytime it's viable we should try and have fair officiating. You point out a valid problem, another one is the obvious agenda the promoters and coordinators might have with the events (I'm not saying this was the problem last night). I don't really know the answer since I'm not involved in the boxing business, I'm just a fan. But as a fan I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing the officials for a fight are trustworthy to do their job to the best of their abilities without any bias. :good

 

It gets out of hand though. What about a guy like Pacquiao? He's not American, but he fights here all the time. Should American judges be barred from doing his fights if he's fighting an American? Should a Mexican judge be able to judge a fight with an American of Mexican descent against say a British fighter? Khan is British of ****stini descent. Should both British and ****stini officials be barred from his fights? What about an American against an Italian fighter? Isn't it just as likely that say a French judge would favor the Italian fighter over the American based off of nationality as it is for a Californian official to favor a fighter from Florida? The thread starter claims that Puerto Rico is neutral, but Brits complained to no end that a Puerto Rican ref favored Mayweather against Hatton. Picking officials based off of nationality poses a lot of issues, and really doesn't solve anything.

 

I don't think a Mexican judge shouldn't judge a fight with a Mexican fighter involved(just to say an example), but that should be the only mexican official for the fight. As for that solving any bias problem... I don't think it's the solution, I just think it's a reasonable start. But I think I understand your point.

 

I don't even think it's a reasonable start. It's completely superficial. Judges should be picked off of experience and their record. If a judge has a history of giving out bad scores, than they won't be picked for any good fights.

 

Judging system sucks!

I say do it straight across not per judge.

Round 1
Boxer 1 - Boxer 2

Judge 1 (J1) Judge 2 (J2) Judge 3 (J3)
10-9 10-9 9-10

Boxer 1 wins the round.

R2

J1 J2 J3
9-10 10-9 9-10

Boxer 2 wins the round.


R3

J1 J2 J3
10-9 9-10 10-9

Boxer 1 wins the round.


This way, you take the control out of a single judge's hands.

 

Well we can agree to the disagree on that. I don't see how trying to avoid nationality bias in a fights officiating equals to picking bad judges. Are the only good judges Americans? If it came down to the only quialified judges being Americans than I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I don't think that's the case. In fact I don't remember the thread starter hinting anything about picking judges solely based on their nationality and not quality.

I agree with picking judges (and refs too) base on experience and record, but nationality bias should be an important factor also. I'm not saying it's the only choosing criteria, but it should have high priority too.

 

the judging has been atrocious as of late. judges going on aggression, 1 or 2 strong hard punches landed and not seeing the other fighter win in combos landed which r more than 2.

 

That's your problem. You assume that an official will automatically have a nationality bias. These guys are professionals, they judge fights all the time. If an official has good track record, then why should anyone assume he or she has a nationality bias? These judges aren't going to pay their own way to these fights. Why would these commissions pay all this extra money to fly guys in from all over the world if they don't have to? Eliminating judges based off of nationality is a superficial solution. And I'm not saying that there are only good judges in America. I'm saying your proposition is unnecessary and won't solve anything.

 

And you think they don't? I understand they are professionals but they're also humans. If there's plenty of qualified judges of different nationalities why take the risk by choosing the ones with the same nationality. I'm not saying it fixes the problem, I just think it's the least action that should be taken to prevent bias. If nationalistic bias wasn't an issue we wouldn't even be discussing it, but we all know it is.

 

It's a perceived issue, not a real one. Just look at this thread. The two American judges had it 6 rounds a piece. The Puerto Rican judge had it 9-3 Khan. I think most would agree that the American judges had better scorecards. Look at that Helenius fight, all 3 of those guys were international judges. You need to realize that these guys don't have the same mindset as fans, at least not the experienced ones.

 

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