How does a fighter beat himself?

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  1. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Say a fighter were to be cloned, live identical lives, have the same personality traits, same training and have the same upbring, and they meet. How do they win against themselves?


    I think a good one for a discussion would be Mike Tyson.

    How would Mike Tyson beat himself? Maybe take an extreme example of Mike (Holyfield 2, McBride). How does he find a way not to lose to himself,?
     
  2. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    I don't even know what I'm on about now
     
  3. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    With his hand.

    Lotion optional.
     
  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This would come down to luck. Momentum, "lucky" punches, and other chaotic factors would win or lose this fight.

    I also doubt either of them could adequately plan for the other, since they'd create an "I know you know I know" situation with no clear solution. Best idea would probably be to randomize which strategy they'd pick if they have more than one viable one. A game theorist could probably tell you more on that angle.
     
  5. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    On second thought, this.
     
  7. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    stop stealing cross_trainer's thread ideas
     
  8. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    get yourself to **** you absolute ****.

    This is a terrible version of a cross trainer thread. Your skills of deduction are wasted here, please find a way to put this incredible talent to good use, hero.
     
  9. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    say it dont spray it, breh
     
  10. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Actually, this thread raises a more interesting question than it first appears to.

    When you're trying to come up with a fight strategy, how do you second-guess your opponent -- especially when they're similar to you? So many fighters have lost because they went in with the wrong gameplan, yet few people pay attention to strategy. They just assume that the fighters in a fantasy matchup will follow their own style, and that will be that.

    This thread breaks you out of that trap. Here, you can't win by following your "natural style" and hoping for the best. Your opponent can do the same thing, which leaves you with a 50/50 chance.

    Only a good fight plan can win this.


    ...So how do you -- as a trainer -- pick a fight plan when you know your opponent has seen the same tapes you did, and will try to anticipate your approach?
     
  12. Brauer

    Brauer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxPO_Z57xg[/ame]
     
  13. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can beat yourself by

    Over training
    Under training
    Taking the cheap, bad route in terms of your corner (Case and point : G-man)
    Looking past your opponent (Khan is a nice recent example)
     
  14. kmac

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  15. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    I was baked when I made this, but aye, it's got some intrigue behind it. It'll take more thought than "KO 1 'fighter x", as both fighters will be in the same boat. How does a fighter reach for victory in their worst performances.


    ****ing stupid thread all the same.