Seth Mitchell and the current Heavyweight era

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  1. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Seth Mitchell first laced up gloves 5 years ago after watching Tom Zbikowski on the "The Contender" and saying to himself "hey, I can do that". Like, Zbikowski, Mitchell was an American football player. Unfortunately for Mitchell, he blew out his knee in 2005 and after several surgeries was forced to quit the sport.

    Mitchell, despite almost zero boxing experience, just nearly bludgeoned to death a former Olympian (Atlanta 1996) and distinguished amateur who had been boxing competitively for over 20 years -- Timur Ibragimov (Sultan's cousin according to Wikipedia).

    Ibragimov had a record of 30-3 and had never before been knocked down in a pro fight. He was coming off a close split decision loss to Jean Marc Mormeck, Wladimir Klitschko's next opponent. Timur is considered a fringe contender, ranked somewhere between 15-30 in the world.

    Now wait one second. A former football player who started boxing at age 25, with a blown out knee, just KTFO a seasoned veteran and 5 time Uzbekistani National champion who had fought in competitive fights with top ten heavyweight Calvin Brock, Tony Thompson, Kevin Johnson (draw, 4 rounder), and Timo Hoffman (who he beat).

    what?

    Can you imagine taking a random football player with shot knees and giving him a set of golf clubs and, voila, 4 years later he's on the leader board at the Masters?

    Or you take a rugby player with broken knees, give him a hockey stick and four years later he's one of the top 30 players in the NHL?

    what!?

    Is Seth Mitchell even any good? No, he's not even any good! That's what's so bloody confounding about it all!

    So I ask the question -- what does the complete novice Seth Mitchell's brutal bludgeoning of Timur Ibragimov say about the current Heavyweight era?

    Someone explain how this is possible -- that a man can start boxing at age 25, with serious knee problems, and can be beating via blunt force trauma a former Olympian with a credible professional record and over 20 years of competitive experience.

    My working hypothesis is that the current heavyweight era is God-awful. Am I wrong?
     
  2. The_President

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    From your thread title, I expected to be reading an interview from Mitchell with his opinions on the current state of the HW division. :huh
     
  3. conraddobler

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    ok, changed the title.
     
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  5. StillWill

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    HEs not even in the top 10, so doesnt really say anything
     
  6. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    both of those guys learned to box in prison for several years. Ron Lyle had amateur experience as well.

    Seth Mitchell blew out his knees and saw boxing on television, 5 years later he's nearly murdering a former olympian. You do the math.
     
  7. The MesserStick

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    Ray Mercer competed very well in a stacked era starting late. Seth Mitchell is an exceptional athlete. Does he have the chin of Mercer or will he go where Ray did? Probably not, even in the so called weak era.

    Nate Campbell walked out of a grocery store at 25 and became the world champ. And that was at the smaller weights where there was much tougher competition. There have always been late bloomers.
     
  8. RobertV77

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    It shows how weak it is. I'll wager that over a 20 year period Ali didn't fight a single opponent who Mitchell could beat. I'm not trying to put this guy down and I'll be rooting for him but his work is cut out.
     
  9. Joe_MacKenzie

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    That's not true. Mitchell said he boxed a lot at the local gym in his teens, but chose Football over other sports.

    Exactly what theory are you trying to prove? Something about certain people being athletically superior? I detect the stench of racism in your posts.
     
  10. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ray Mercer won a gold medal at the Olympics and fought in the Army.

    Seth Mitchell was in a different sport, blew his knee out, and said about boxing: "gee, I can do that!"
     
  11. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    bit early for the race card, no? Trigger happy?

    I'm asking how a guy with near-zero experience and shot knee just beat the living crap out of a fringe contender what had never been knocked down in what is thought by many on this board to be the greatest heavyweight era ever.

    I want to someone square those two propositions.
     
  12. Peril

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    Don't get so excited over one win. After all, it was Timur Ibragimov, the guy who's only claim to fame was sharing a last name (no, they are NOT cousins/brothers etc, just a coincidence that promoters capitalized on in wake of K-bros success) with a real talent, Sultan Ibragimov.

    Mitchel is a solid heavy and a real hard puncher, but he is going to be picked apart by the top 10 in the division. He is an american, and as such his time is long gone.
     
  13. The MesserStick

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    What about Nate? He was stocking groceries at 25 and said, hey I can do that. Murked Baby Bull in his home town to be the man at 135 I think. Not a top notch athlete, a grocery store stocker.
     
  14. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Someone on Wikipedia believes they are cousins.

    I'm sorry, but Timur Ibragimov is a top 30 heavyweight who just lost a split decision to Vlad's next opponent. He had never been knocked down. He was an Olympian with 20 years of boxing experience. The poster "Baldwin", quite logically I might add, believed that he would easily outbox Seth Mitchell on this basis.

    Are you telling me that you can imagine a football player with broken knees getting a pair of golf clubs and being on the leader board of the Masters four years later?

    And by the way, Seth Mitchell isn't very good. He's quite bad, actually. I'm exploring what that means for the current era of heavyweights.
     
  15. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So 10 is a magic number?

    If he beat the 10th ranked guy it would mean something, but not the 11th?