the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,129
    48,364
    Mar 21, 2007
    Vasquez-Larios II. This is a real gem of a fight, even if it isn't quite as good as a near-hysterical Atlas ("FRAZIER-ALI. GATTI-WARD. THIS IS ANYTHING.") insists throughout the entertaining broadcast. It is though, one of the most entertaining workrate performances of that era, Larios was like a man possessed.

    He knew (And it was proven) that Vasquez had a better jab, so in-spite of his advantage in length and height, and much to Atlas's near hysterical objection (he spent two rounds talking about how square Larios's feet were), he abandoned the battle of the jabs as unwinnable and went crazy for powerpunches, leading with the right, leading with uppercuts and leading with all kinds of bar-room punches as he starts to fade a bit after 4. He gets away with it because he is moving a lot, total commitment to his high energy plan, lots and lots of movement forcing Vasquez to move onto these mad punches, not allowing him to get set. Vasquez responded with his usual total regard for defence as he slipped behind, which is always sad to see from the point of view of his fans if not fight fans. It doesn't work for him however, as his then stamina issue starts to tell.

    So Larios, not able to take Vasquez's jab away - Israel has success with it in the first five, losing all but one of them on my card - he just renders it useless as a round-winner by outlanding him with power-punches. Larios threw over a 1,000 blows in this fight and very few of them were straight lefts.

    Cut on both eyes in the first half of the fight he just keeps moving until he can't and then goes into a part time shoot out where he's leading his man onto punches over and over again. By the time Vasquez has wised up a bit to the straight right, Larios is to tired to throw it for the most part so he is looping it, whilst adding uppercuts.

    The first knockdown is really weird, the referee seems to be "cleaning" a wet spot on in the middle of the ring by rubbing it with his size tens before Vasquez proptly slips on it. Larios bores in behind him landing multiple flush shots as Vasquez slips to the ropes and becomes momentarily entangled. IN a future echo of his duels with Marquez he comes hurtling back off the ropes with hard punches and they clinch. As they are seperated, Vasquez points to the slippery spot on the floor and the referee says "I know". Larios meantime is winding up a right hand all the way from Cuba which he detonates right on Vasquez's chin just after Vasquez puts his eyes back on his opponent. Marquez somehow gets up but is stopped a few seconds later when he is put down again. All though about to rise at the count of five, Vasquez makes little objection when the ref waves it off and keeps his knee for about 20 seconds.

    There was no way back for him at that point anyway.

    Inspite of it's apparent one-sidedness in terms of the cards, it's still a great and thrilling fight, and lots of the rounds are close
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,802
    11,430
    Aug 22, 2004

    My recent appreciation of Vasquez definitely included this fight in my study. As I mentioned at the time, that kind of loss can be very difficult to bounce back from. While competitive, Vasquez took a man-sized beating, and it was a deflating, comprehensive stoppage. That kind of thing never seemed to bother him that much, though.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,129
    48,364
    Mar 21, 2007
    You are right Sal. It was a horrible beating in that he shipped many, many flush power punches before receiving a protracted knockout. It's very much the kind of beating that finishes/marks an up and coming prospect.

    Some fighters are just made of different stuff, and as he proved over and again, he is one of them.
     
  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,802
    11,430
    Aug 22, 2004
    Today I watched Dick Tiger take a clear 10-round decision from Rubin Carter. Carter was felled hard three times by leaping left hooks, and seemed out of it in the second after being felled twice in the stanza. He climbed to his feet somehow and fought back with some sporadic effectiveness from that point on, but Tiger was the deserving winner.
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,744
    78
    Apr 4, 2010
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

    38,034
    91
    Nov 10, 2008
    Been watching Antonio Esparragoza today, he's never really shined on me before, but I'm really digging him now.

    He's such a patient and confident ring general, takes his time to get started and dosent waste a thing. The way he moves through the gears is brilliant, he starts of with the long jabs, then all of a sudden he's sliding in off lead rights and left hooks, and the thing is everything is a combination. And his combinations, ever shot is solid and thrown perfectly, you dont see that much.

    But the thing I love mot about him, he is just so sure he will win, all the time.

    His fight with Jose Marmolejo, stood out for me so I'll expand on it.

    Marmolejo is a tall Panamanian, he shows good lateral movement and instinctive counters, as you expect from a Panamanian, but lacks polish and to me experiance.

    Marmolejo starts out brilliantly moving laterally to keep Tonmy Asparagus from starting any attacks, and when he does he generally falls short and walks on to lovely short right hands. Jose does this for the first 3 rounds, although in the second I thought Essparagoza edged it with workrate.

    In the fourth Esparragoza makes a concerted effort to keep the pressure on the tall awkward Marmelejo. He does this with a few things:
    -Feints, he feints his movements forward and then attacks an off-balance Marmelejo.
    -A Double Step, instead of stepping in with his shots, Antonio steps forward whilst being defensivly aware, then steps in again with his punches, meaning he is getting his range without punching, and keeping the pressure on without opening himself up.
    -Combinations, he just keeps punching at times, but more importantly , he is falling in after shots to keep Marmalejo in range. And Antonio's defensive radar in the pocket is superb, I loved the way he would throw his right then dip to his left to avoid any retaliatery shots.

    A sustained barrage of punches knocks Jose off-balance and he goes down. Antonio does a back flip in the middle of the ring. But Jose is back up and fights back, however he is in survival mode. He circles without doing much in return, by way of counters, and when he does throw he leads then stands in front of Esparragoza, rather than countering then moving off.

    Esparragoza really starts to take over, and has him down in the fifth, and dominates the sixth and seventh (the seventh I scored 10-8, as Esparragoza just poured forward with non-stop combinations), however every now and then Tony walks onto that counter right, and finally in the ninth a sharp right cross catches Marmeljo who falls into a clinch, but then falls to the canvas and is counted out.

    Really interesting fight IMO.
     
  7. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

    82,426
    1,469
    Sep 7, 2008
    I've got Vilasana-Esparagoza on the way, should be fun.
     
  8. JabCross

    JabCross Member Full Member

    184
    0
    May 14, 2011
    Got around to watching the Khan-Peterson fight tonight.

    R1: 10-8 Khan
    R2: 10-9 Khan
    R3: 10-9 Peterson
    R4: 10-10
    R5: 10-9 Khan
    R6: 10-9 Khan
    R7: 10-8 Peterson
    R8: 10-9 Peterson
    R9: 10-9 Khan
    R10: 10-9 Peterson
    R11: 10-9 Peterson
    R12: 10-9 Khan

    TOTAL: 114-112 in favour of Lamont Peterson.

    Overall, I was not happy with the ref in this fight. In my opinion, he cost Khan the fight (I don't think Amir would have won, but there was a chance of a draw there). The ref neglected what was an obvious knockdown in the first, and took points away for pushing, which I thought was ludicrous. I mean pushing, really? If he had taken points from Khan for grabbing Lamont's head, then sure, but come on, pushing? Anyway, it was a great fight and is definitely a serious FOTY candidate for me.
     
  9. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

    82,426
    1,469
    Sep 7, 2008
    Pushing because he couldn't defend himself. Essentially stopping his opponent from working without doing any work himself.

    It was spoiling. And pretty consistent spoiling at that.
     
  10. JabCross

    JabCross Member Full Member

    184
    0
    May 14, 2011
    I'll have to rewatch the fight, because I was unsure on rounds 6 and 10 and I didn't think the shoving was bad enough for point deductions. What surprised me though was that Khan persisted in pushing, despite being warned several times by the referee, and I think that this cost him the fight. All in all, Khan's performance was pretty underwhelming for a guy who was talking about how he could beat Floyd Mayweather a couple of weeks ago.
     
  11. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

    10,305
    544
    Feb 17, 2010
    Just watched parts of Hiroyuki Ebihara finally regaining a title against Jose Severino in preperation for youtube upload.

    Decent entertaining fight, though it's clear to me that Ebihara has lost a couple of steps here.Not nearly as sharp as he had been earlier in the decade and Severino was a rather ordinary unimaginative slugger.

    It's a shame Ebihara wasn't able to maintain his prime form for longer as he deserved a championship run.
     
  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,500
    5,749
    Aug 19, 2010
    :happy
    :good
     
  13. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

    82,426
    1,469
    Sep 7, 2008
    Yeah I've got that fight as well.

    Maybe I'll upload Ebihara-Torres II instead :think
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

    38,034
    91
    Nov 10, 2008
    Antono Esparragoza vs Jean Marc Renard.

    Pretty entertaining fight this.

    Renard is a basic, if slightly ugly/mauling, pressure fighter. Nice high hands and straight shots. Solid guy though, and strong.

    This is the worst I have seen Esparrgoza though, defensivly he was not sharp at all and as he went back, he loves room and time, and as Renard was not giving him it, he seemed to flounder a bit and his defence was terrible.

    After some feeling out and that Esparragoza established his combos and took the second and third rounds, however at the end of the third Renard won a few exchanges with sharper punches.

    From the fourth on Renard began to bullrush his way in, waiting for Esparragoza to move back, then he bgan firing, and he was really troubling Tony. Tony did his best work in the middle of the ring firing off the hard combos, but he was too eager to give ground.

    The finish in the sixth was a suprprise as after a few hard combinations Renard started to hurt for the first time in the fight, but he kept soldeiring on until another combo sent him down and out.

    But this fight got me wondering, maybe Aparagus wouldnt treat McGuigan as his ***** as I Previously thought.

    Also the amount of cleanm KOs Antonio has is pretty amazing, most guys he takes out are actual out for the 10.

    Esparragoza: 2,3
    Renard : 1,4,5
    Total: 48-47 Renard (3-2)
     
  15. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,802
    11,430
    Aug 22, 2004
    I just watched a great fight McGrain uploaded a while back, Betulio Gonzalez MD15 Guty Espadas. What a display of stamina and infighting! Espadas tatooed Gonzalez early, but the taller Mexican rallied over the last half of the fight, at least on my card. Here's how I had it..........

    Gonzalez: Rounds 5,7,8,9,11,12,13,14
    Espadas: Rounds 1,2,3,4,6,10,15