Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

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  1. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was never implying that Pacquiao was Judah or anybody else, the point of those videos was just to demonstrate Floyd's style and his defensive habits.
     
  2. Phat_Ass_Dude

    Phat_Ass_Dude Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are a LYING sack of ****....and you know it!
     
  3. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course it doesn't.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I'm going to show a great video posted by RightHandLead17, as well as my response to it, in order to contribute more to the discussion. I hope you guys check it out and then reassess my arguments concerning the differences in styles.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBmqlO6rh4&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    I just finished up finals so I'll be trying to put together a video on Floyd's lateral movement in relation to the type of rhythm Manny and Juan Manuel share in the ring, so if I don't respond to any long answers right away, my bad. Hope you guys appreciate the technical talk and can refrain from flaming each other.
     
  5. KarlBrandt

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    Its a technical mismatch

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2nakFH2fM[/ame]
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    :lol::lol::rofl:rofl:patsch

    coo vid
     
  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Either you haven't read the thread or my posts, or you've got arguments you're hiding for some reason that somehow equate the stylistically specific paths of Marquez's success in exploiting Pacquiao's flaws to Floyd's style.

    Look at the post above yours. We're all aware of Pacquiao's flaws. The point I'm making is that Marquez exploits them in a way unique to his style that does not necessarily carry over to every counter-puncher in history, including Floyd.
     
  8. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    What a great video. Needed to be made, as it's hard to explain these things to 'certain fans' without visual accompaniment. There was a lot of people trying to make out that Pacquiao was the Ring General in that fight. That theory is competely destroyed once and for all by this. I made a thread detailing the definition of Ring Generalship too which was largely ignored by Pacquiao fans for the same reason. Worryingly for Pacquiao fans though, Mayweather Jr, while not the same style of Counter-Puncher as JMM, possesses all of his mental agility. In other words, Mayweather is as likely to see and take advantage of Pacquiao's flaws as Juan was. He can adapt his gameplay to focus on those flaws, throwing more faints, getting Pacquiao off balance and out of rhythm. Also, while JMM throws counter combos regularly, in this particular fight he threw a lot of single right hands that had much success. I just can't picture Mayweather not landing that straight right all night also. :conf

    By the way, JMM = Technical Boxing genius. Pleasure to watch.
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Mayweather can land the rights if he has Pacquiao where he wants him. My point in highlighting key moments of Floyd's fights with Hatton, DLH, Judah, and Ortiz are that he lacks the in-the-pocket movement to change the angle the way Marquez did, and because his defensive posture often anchors him, someone with the footspeed of Pacquiao can get his lead foot on the outside and exploit his backing up in a straight line, and land a left, or a right to the body, and then see if other things open up for him while Floyd momentarily retreats.

    Floyd has the smarts to figure him out, but I think Pacquiao might be able to build an early lead (a dangerous thing), since Floyd hasn't shown in his adjustments (while they were effective) to employ much circular mobility. That's what I'm referring to in my response to that video and my OP.

    I hope you can find the time to read through it and give a more elaborate opinion since you're one of my allies in terms of objectivity on this forum. We're few and far between and I'm trying to raise technical points in a civil manner without having to wade through pages and pages of nut-huggery.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Other videos made by our friend that were denied and brushed aside by the majority of the damn forum.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=314pcxGkD3o[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo-Ucms_pa8[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drkEXlkIiMA[/ame]
     
  11. Leon

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBmqlO6rh4&feature=player_embedded[/ame]


    There's an entire video showing emmanuel falling for the same feint over and over. He had over 3.5 years to figure Juan out and ends up getting beat even more convincingly in their 3rd match.
     
  12. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    How's Pacquiao gonna do against a fighter who can fight going backwards?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7qLBI7tdk&feature=related[/ame]


    Alot of the reason Marquez struggles with pressure fighters is he cant fight going backwards. Against fighters with even the most basic ability to cut off the ring, Marquez struggles.

    Now what is Pacquiao going to do against a fighter who can fight and knock you out circling the ring?
     
  13. KarlBrandt

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    I think that its ridiculous to say that Marquez is the only one who can exploit Pacquiao's flaws,if Pacquiao was so unique and hard to beat he wouldnt have been so carefully matched and fought weight drained opponents.I think that Maywather beats him.
     
  14. Leon

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    I understand the point he's making. He's saying Floyd will kick emmanuel's AZZ via counter-punching but in Floyd's way instead of doing it exactly like Juan.

    Look at Tijuana emmanuel I for example. Tijuana studied the Juan emmanuel I tape and used countering he picked from the Juan tape to beat emmanuel.

    Tijuana unlike Juan uses the str8 right downstairs instead of left hook as his main AZZault to the body. He also jabbed more offensively compared to Juan who mainly just used it to check and measure emmanuel.

    The punches Floyd uses to whoop emmanuel's AZZ will be more similar to the punches Tijuana used than the ones Juan used. Floyd will be jabbing more than Juan and throwing a right downstairs. Floyd will actually be more economical and clinch too since he's a Slick Black American fighter instead of using plenty of lateral movement like the two Mexicans.
     
  15. Bogotazo

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    Right. Though I think Floyd's lack of volume might let Pacquiao build a lead early by backing up early, especially with the judges that are constantly employed in the sport. It might work out for him as economical in the second half of the fight and he might avoid taking punishment, but minimizing the risks he takes in opening Pacquiao up might not intimidate him until he starts timing him later in the fight.