Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

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  1. Bogotazo

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    Did you really just say that? Marquez can't fight going backwards.

    And Floyd's check hook against a stiff inside-swarmer like Hatton, while impressive, isn't the same thing as consistently moving laterally to remove the punching angle against someone as awkwardly jumpy as Manny. But considering what you just said, I don't expect you to understand a single thing I'm trying to convey.
     
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  2. Vitor Belfort

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    :patsch judah hit him clean-mosley etc

    Now what happens when pac land that straight left? No way floydie survived when pac hurts him like this:deal:deal:deal:lol:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyDlsOO98A[/ame]
     
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  3. Nay_Sayer

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    Floyd has faced bigger punchers than Pacquiao.
     
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  4. MichiganWarrior

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    Floyd landed several check hooks agianst Victor Ortiz. Im starting to believe you've never actually seen this fight.

    And please show me where Marquez can punch going backwards. Im not talking about backing up to reposition himself. Im talking about jabbing, moving and hooking while going backwards.


    Surely you know the difference?
     
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  5. KarlBrandt

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    Marquez: I Didn't Feel Pacquiao's Punches

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAfyKwOBSYA[/ame]
     
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  6. Smokin' Joe

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    Just beginning to read back through the thread now mate, hadn't had a chance to previously. In my own mind, at the moment, I can't see Pacquiao beating Mayweather but as you know, I'm open to things I hadn't seen or noticed before. Looking forward to reading it through.
     
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  7. Bogotazo

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    Thanks homie, appreciate it. Competitive is more the word I'm looking for; if Floyd wins like many think he will, based on what I've observed, I don't think it will be a complete shut-out.

    I've seen the fight several times. Landing a check hook is not the same thing as consistently pivoting out in the pocket. Floyd actually circled to Ortiz's left for large stretches of the fight, before ducking into that right hook of Ortiz (unlike the fluid weaving a shorter in-the-pocket counter-puncher would do) and eating a good left before retreating to the ropes in a straight line just before the headbutt. He won basically every round of the fight, but the points still stand.

    As for Marquez, in the spots he's not settled in on the ropes, he's punching at the same time that he's moving backwards nearly the entire time he's in the center against Katsidis. That's just the most recent example. His whole career exemplifies setting up counters with footwork, side-stepping and turning while punching.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5uxEG2GiM0[/ame]
     
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  8. Vitor Belfort

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    That don't nothing cuz pac punches comes in bunches. He can hurt you with one punch then 1000000000 comes right after. He won't see pac's punches coming since he punches from all angle.

    Once pac hurts floydie, watch out. Pac is one of the best finisher in the game:deal
     
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  9. KarlBrandt

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  10. Smokin' Joe

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    Juan wouldn't agree.
     
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  12. Leon

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    No, he's not.

    He couldn't even finish a chubby Mexican he knocked down 3 times in one round.

    Cotto(e) was around for way too long despite having nothing left.

    He couldn't stop punching bag margoe wheres pass prime Shane could.
     
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  13. MichiganWarrior

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    :lol::lol::lol: What the **** are you talking about? ARe you saying MArquez is more fluid then Mayweather? WAtch the Katsidis or Juan Diaz fights. Marquez eats tons of punches. Look at his face after each one of those fights. You actually believe Marquez is more fluid at close range then Mayweather who if he gets hit its an event. And we can count on one hand the number of times he's been made to even bleed. :rofl
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    Not really.



    Marquez in the video is eating punches whenever he takes a step backwards. And when he does throw punches, he is set the vast majority of the time. Compare that to Mayweather who can throw punches while moving backwards on his toes. Look when Marquez gets pinned against the ropes by Juan Diaz, he is eating punches.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p1QJ0ZEpp8[/ame]


    Now compare that to Mayweather vs the greatest lightweight of Floyd's era

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUhLnuhe7KA&feature=related[/ame]


    Or more recent example


    Floyd vs Baldomir

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACl6PyCVWI[/ame]


    Or Floyd vs Hatton which I posted above



    All things being equal Mayweather is a far superior technician to Marquez. The only real advantage Marquez has over Mayweather is combination punching. Which gets Marquez into trouble at times where he gets knocked down because he over commits to a series of punches.


    All in all, Pacquiao and Marquez are mid-range fighters. Take either out of this range, and they're weaknesses are glaring. Mayweather can fight on the inside, at mid-range, or at long range with his leaping left hook and his jab off the back foot.



    Againt Ortiz, Floyd circled to Ortiz left at times, boxed off the back foot at times, or some times stalked Ortiz and cut off the ring. Floyd is a virtuoso fighter. Unless Pacquiao gets lucky with his punches or Floyd begins to slip, he has no chance against Floyd.
     
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  14. Vitor Belfort

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    These guys do:rofl
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  15. Smokin' Joe

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    Those guys aren't elite level. Juan and Mayweather are. :good
     
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