Froch vs Ward: Super Six Final Build Up Thread

Ward will get on Frochys chest, smother and outwork him for a comfortable decision.

 

It's on about 9 live on sky. Not expecting any drama both guys should make weight ok. I've heard enough of em both and their trainers at this stage just wanna see a bit of action now. Anyone know anything about kell brooks opponent? I presume he's matched to win

 

Pretty much yeah, should stop the lad. Actually punch him till lad either falls down/quits or is on ***** street which is something that Kell hasn't done recently.

 

Sadly ... i have a feeling this will be a one sided walk in the park for Ward and he will win big on the scorecards.

I like Froch ... but a lot of times i see him fight he looks cumbersome and slow and even awkward at times ..

He does have grit and can take a good shot, but a quality boxer like Ward might make him look even more cumbersome than usual ..

I will be rooting for Froch however and hope he takes Ward into the trenches and grinds down Ward via a late stoppage or a close points win.

 

Pascal,Taylor, dirrell and Kessler all said the same thing about Carl that he was slow cumbersome and awkward only to find out on the night that he ain't slow at all and some of that awkwardness is to his advantage. How many fighters has ward faced that fight like Carl? Not easy to get sparring partners to match that kinda style

 

Think he was well on his way to doin that against the polish lad. He can be left off the hook against n'dou nobody stops him. Kell has a good crack on him hopefully he looks good. I presume his fight is bein shown live on showtime?

 

Another sadly, ward will be too slippery for froch.

I think ward will outbox froch, that froch will need a knockout in the latter rounds because he will be way behind on points, he will risk making mistake doing so and could get tag plenty. Not sure if ward can stop froch but a landslide UD.

 

Really think that Ward is gonna have problems with Carls Jab and lack of rhythm.

I think he will be lunging in and following through with shots that will mean that Carl will get caught but he will also have his chances.

Closer we get to this the more I think Carl may get a stoppage, it all depends on how the fight starts.

If Carl fails to establish the jab within the first 3 rounds I think he will go for broke and this I belive could see him getting a stoppage by the end of the mid rounds.

If carl does manage to esablish the jab early and is winning rounds clearly then robbie mac will be on at him not to get involved. This will work untill the latter rounds when Ward goes for broke. This will leave himself open and Froch could get the late stoppage.

I can also see Ward getting the win and could even see Ward hurting Froch (any man can be caught [Ottke Mundine]. I just think that Froch is going to be too good on the night.

Frochs keys to victory are going to be the following;

His Jab - Needs to establish this early and stick to it.

His Awkwardness - Froch's lack of rhythm should mean that Ward will struggle to time him with the jab and may result to wild lunges ala the Bika fight.

Short work - Froch will need the short clipping shots as Ward is coming in. He needs the jab for range and the short uppercut come hooks that he throws with real vennom.

If Froch does get the stoppage I think it will be more Magee than Taylor. I think he will catch a tired Ward coming in with a short shot and put the lights out.

I think it is very important for Froch to hit Ward with something hurtful within the first 3 rounds.

Asside from all of this I think we are virtually guaranteed at least one bad cut in this fight and I really hope it does not prove decisive!!!

Great fight.

Can't wait!!!

 

My analysis on how this will involve is this...

Ward will want to keep this mid to long range. I think he will surprise Froch and not try to smother and go inside like he usually does because of 1) his eye, 2) he is giving froch a target inside to hit if carl cannot hit him from outside. I will see ward going inside to disrupt carl later on in the fight to smother carl if he lands big shots.
Ward will follow the template taylor used by keeping carl away with a frequent jab what i mean is a very FAST and FREQUENT jab which gives carll little time to adjust. He will hit his jab from long range then step inside for a 2/3 punch combo and then Step back quickly without getting hit. He will try to switch froch from side to side and take advantage of carls low hands. I can see Ward use his superior footwork to REALLY out punch carl and run away.

Ward fighting like this wil be VERY difficult for carl to break as its a good points accumulation tactic and it will leave carl to try to match Wards output but leave himself exposed to quick hooks and uppercuts mid/close range from Ward.
No matter how i see this Ward will look to keep carl away and accumulate rounds by scoring punches for a decision. Ward is not going to look for a knockout UNLESS he has carl hurt.

Carl will have to prepared to get close to Ward and keep the fight mid-close range. How can he do this? well he will have to time it to perfection when Ward hits his jab from range Carl needs to jab as well (he might miss thats ok) and take a big step inside and hit body (so ward brings his hand down) and then head. Problem with this is Ward can step back and counter carl when he steps inside so carl needs his punches to be hard and Fast to stop ward running away to quickly so carl cant do his work. Carls footwork needs to be REALLY good as he needs to punch as he moves so his balance needs to be good to land hurting punches.

Carls chance really come from how Ward fights as carl i think is the stronger fighter and inside carl can do damage but he may struggle to get close enough to throw punches. THis is why carl will have to take punches to close the distance and these may hurt and be flush which will score so carl needs to hit hard when he taking a punch and hope he gets to ward to fire some combinations.

No matter how i see this fight i just feel it all depends on how Ward fights. If ward keeps the fight long/mid range and be very elusive carl find it difficult. If ward stays in the pocket and wants to mix it with carl then carl has a chance as he might hurt ward. However, i just think the quick punches and in and out style Ward have to win many rounds for carl to make up the deficit by single hurting shots. We have not seen carl with the quick footwork and head movement to get inside yet so it all depends how much carl progressed, as Wards handspeed maybe to much for carl to use his footwork/head movement to have a affect on the fight.

 

So Ward is going to be cautious just in case Froch has suddenly developed inside fighting ability?

 

I think Froch and his camp knows they haven't got a chance. Even Eddie Hearn couldn't rustle up anything other than 'stubborness', whereas McCracken used the term 'grind'. Their whole game plan it seems is based on intangibles that may or may not hold true. They probably won't, as Ward won't be cowed by Froch's supposed superior strength.

Ward on the other hand - and his trainer Hunter - can actually point to tangible attributes such as speed, mobility, fitness, work rate to justify a victory. They know exactly how they can win this fight.

Froch's camp seems to be based around adapting his style to address an almost inevitable mid-fight deficit, and basically going for broke in an attempt to turn the tide. Even Froch himself alluded to that the other day...."I won't feel sorry for myself if I'm behind at the halfway point."

Froch has become too used to falling behind and seems to have accepted he'll always have to trawl through adversity in order to prevail. To beat Andre Ward you need higher aspirations that that; you need to assert authority early on. However Carl will fiddle behind the jab and leave himself with too much to do.

 

Its funny how weighted some people's opinions are on this fight. Ive read soo many posts that argue Ward wins comfortably against a guy who has ten times a better resume than him, a higher knockout percentage and has proven when the cards are down, he can pull it out the bag. Its not going to be a easy ride for Ward, Froch is at the super six final because he is one of the best in the division. His awkward style is like nothing Ward has ever faced and his granite chin will keep on coming all night. Its definitely the hardest test for both men and despite everyone proclaiming its going to be "boring" or "Ward will win easily", I disagree.

Froch is no pushover and his experience on the night is what I believe will ultimately be the main factor in this fight. Froch is a different animal to what Ward has ever faced and I believe this has come at the exact perfect time for the Cobra. Aim for the cut early (Its still vulnerable no matter what Ward's camp says) and we could see a brawl break up, exactly what Carl Froch will want...

Prediction: Carl Froch TKO 11th.

 

For me, Froch NEEDS to start early. I honestly wouldn't try to box Ward. Try rough him up early and don't give him space. Even run at him when the first bell starts and pile the pressure just to intimidate him.

If Ward get's a rhythm that works, Froch is ****ed.

 

Agree with Laz, Ward has shown to not be great early on as he tries to gauge range and get into a rhythm/pattern. Froch needs to really affect him from rounds 1-4 and land gloves on him to body and head whatever way he can. Ward at times complained about Bika's roughness so he can be bothered.

I think Froch's lack of rhythm and his awkwardness and long arms will help him early on Ward will have to adjust, i noticed McCracken kept saying 'nothing wide' on heavy bag. They know they have to be straight with punches or at least try to be. Anyone who's comparing this to the Dirrell fight is wrong IMO. Dirrell uses his athleticism and lateral movement to maximum. Ward holds his feet a lot more, isn't as quick but is far more skilled and stronger mentally. Dirrell is tall and has a long arms himself. Ward will be there to be hit at times, he won't run IMO and nor does he have to he's well versed on inside work as well as working at long to mid range. He's sharp with his shots i wouldn't say Meldrick Taylor quick he's more timing then anything. But it's still fast enough to trouble the best around..

 

Yep Dirrell is completely different. A natural back foot fighter comfortable with being patient and working on the periphery. Ward uses his outside game as more of a decoy to get inside and mixes it up more. Still, whether that's a good or bad thing for Froch remains to be seen.