Mayweather's Defense vs Marquez Defense

I like how tasco is trying to turn this thread into one about Floyd's lateral movement to save face about the stupid things he says.

 

I'm saying he has a habit of doing those things. Obviously Im not claiming he's never moved laterally or moved in angle. The point is its not a consistent part of his style .

 

You said he (on many occasions) doesnt do those things.

It is apart of his style and he uses it often. Like i said his defense is based off of it.

Did you not read my post on how he uses it?


I'll post it again: I'll even bold it for you.


When you watch floyd PLEASE pay attention to his feet. You have a misunderstanding that angles can only be created by hoping around the ring. This is where you show your lack of knowledge. Floyd changes the angle with his feet, foot postition is why his defense is so good. Its not just reflexes. Floyd often takes away the shot before you even throw it because certain shots cant hit him from certain angles. Again, PAY ATTENTION.

If he finds himself out of postion with his feet(rarely ever happens) he changes the angles with the postion on his shoulder.

Floyd uses lateral movement and plenty of it, you just dont want to see it. He moves laterally after landing almost everytime.

Lastly floyd only uses it when he NEEDS TO. Out of his last 3-4 fights please tell me where he needed to use lateral movement?

Was he not using it VS JMM? Because they where all over the ring in that fight. You know why? BECAUSE HE NEEDED TO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HIS OPPONENT WAS DOING. If he doesnt need to he wont.

 

well then were talking about two different things. I'm mainly talking about positioning of the feet where you can almost always find floyd directly in front of you. I'm not saying he cant create angles by rolling his shoudler or shifting his upper body . But in both cases hes still directly in front of you, and that can be taken advantage of , especially if you study the way he moves and know where hes gonna be.

 

You really don't know what your talking about. Every point you have made can be countered with video evidence. No one is saying Floyd is a perfect boxer but what your saying is asinine.

 

I don't think Floyd is robotic (that word suits someone like Wlad) but he does tend to fight in a linear style. He's a thinking, technical fighter, and his style reflects that -- very compact, tried and tested movements at a measured pace. Pac, on the other hand, is the opposite -- an instinctive, energetic fighter who moves in more of an unpredictable and wild fashion. Marquez seems to combine both of these approaches, as he can be very fluid and energetic but also technical and economical.

I wish he'd had proper conditioning/weight gain before fighting Mayweather. I think he still would have lost, but it would have been more interesting. He also caught Mayweather with one or two good shots when Mayweather was against the ropes:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2w4nJlk0Q[/ame]

 

If you think that then you dont know what ANGLES are at all.


And i had to adress that last part Floyd is always in punching range but he takes away the angle ALWAYS...him being infront of the opponent is irrelevant.


Question...Who in your opinion uses angles better than Floyd currently?

And what is your idea of using angles?

 

We're getting into semantics. Lets not make this too complicated. My point is Floyd has a habit of standing in front of his opponents and going back and forth in lines. You really want to dispute that? This is basically common knowledge to anyone who seen floyd fight and isnt a floyd groupie. I'm not saying floyd doesnt create angles by doing other things like rolling his shoulder, I'm talking about his positiong in the ring which is almost exclusively in front of his opponent .. you can name a few examples where he turns to the side or moved different directions but he always RESETS back into the position he was before and continues to fight in a straight line. The difference with Marquz is he'll constantly move his feet laterally , shift/turn, and take advangage of openings that way. I's a difference of styles.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvPPKunjnAw[/ame] Floyd uses plenty of Angles in this fight Gander.

 

We're really not...You clearly stated on serveral occassions that floyd doesnt use angles, is robotic with numerous other silly things. Ive explained to you how he uses it and yet you still dont want to acknowledge it.

Him standing infront of his opponent is irrelevant because he has his feet position where certain shots wont land no matter what because of the angle at which he puts his feet.

Sure he goes back sometimes(who doesnt?), that isnt my agrugment. The bolded statements are


Still haven't answered who uses Angles better than Floyd?

 

Nobody in their right Boxing mind would say JMM's defense is better then Mayweather's.

Tender a$$hole was, is, and will continue to be a joke on the subject of Boxing.

 

I've acknowledged several times now that Floyd uses angles with his shoulder and upper body movment. Did you read my posts? I'm talking about his positioning in line with his opponent . That's all I'm talking about.

If he's standing directly in front of you there is no 'angle at whre he puts his feet.' He's right in front of you . The trajectory is a straight line. For there to be an angle where his feet are planted he'd have to move laterally (to the side). If your shots arent landing its' because he's either too far away or he's moving his upperbody or picking off yourpunches. To say it's totally irrelevant that he's stands right in front of his man almost all the time is ignorant. That can be taken advantage of with the right gameplan and the right style. An over the hill Oscar took advantage of it just by using his jab sparingly. He backed Floyd up to the ropes constantly and had him right in front of him.

 

Floyd has the best defense in the sport of boxing and he has for years. No one can even claim to come close to challenging that status.

 

I LOVE JMM and Floyd but it's Floyd no question defensively AND offensively. People wih limited knowledge on Floyd may say he fights "robotic" or is "predicatable" but who has ever exploited that? He's the most adaptable fighter now and is getting a little more aggresive since post-Marquez. He can lead, counter, fight going backwards, fight inside, fight in clinches,etc. he's the complete package really. People may point to his power but he hits very hard and stunned Mosley & DLH who get a lot of applaud for having tough beards.