How Does Anyone Really Believe Bute Could Trouble Ward?

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  1. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bute has superior speed to Froch but I still see Ward winning a wide decision.
     
  2. JMP

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    Well said. I also see him losing his focus and getting taken out of his comfort zone easier than Ward.
     
  3. Vysotsky

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    I think the handspeed is rather even and Bute's footwork is the best in the division along with Ward, their lateral movement and pivots in particular. Dirrell has quick feet ala Martinez or Haye but it isn't as sound as Ward or Bute's especially when it comes to balance and being set to throw punches.

    Comparing Bute and Froch's ability to measure and maintain distance with their feet is way off imo, Bute is exceptional at it, Froch average. Froch's balance isn't the best and in the Ward fight he would quite often miss shots with his wide punches and fall off balance, his footspeed is rather average too.

    Your point about Ward closing distance and smothering is very accurate and it's something i would expect him to attempt alot against Bute. Bute is great at maintaining distance with his feet and along with his timing and counter punching (both great) create one of the most dangerous aspects of his game.

    If you try to pressure him and close distance, jumping into mid range or to get inside, he is great at taking that half step back, making you miss while maintaing some distance, and countering you. The most dangerous shots are the left uppercut to the body or head and he doesn't need much room to throw them but his left cross and right hook are also good .Bute's footwork also plays into this as he's always set to punch so unlike Kessler or Froch lateral movement from Ward prior to his attacks won't nullify Bute's ability to be set to throw power shots.

    Ward trying to jump into range like he did all night vs Kessler would be like russian roulette, sometimes he'll get in and be able to clinch while other times he'll eat huge counter punches and is risking getting hurt. The risk/reward for Ward wouldn't be worth it imo and i imagine he'd be confronted with this and abandon that strategy.

    Froch's biggest downfall on the inside vs Ward were his wide punches. He would get beat to the punch, countered and as i mentioned above would fall off balance when missing which also led to countering oppertunities. Bute has short tight punches including uppercuts and hooks (as does Ward) and even if he misses a shot he won't be stumbling around the ring.

    When boxing on the outside both Ward and Bute have great reflexes with their upperbody movement alot of which includes changing levels. One of the most impressive things in Bute-Johnson was how much Bute made him miss the jab, most the time while standing in range, it hardly ever landed. Just checked and Johnson landed 81 of 360 jabs :lol: That's pretty crazy.

    Those are some of my thoughts on their style matchup.
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    Bute definitely has a good puncher's chance. Darnell Boone had Ward down and on ***** street with an uppercut which is Bute's money shot.

    Overall tho I think Ward should take Bute out of his element and beat him.

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    12:28 for the knockdown.

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  5. Cellz831

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    people think i hate on bute. but i actually think he can beat everyone in the division besides Ward. but HE HAS TO FIGHT THEM FIRST. Ward vs Bute will be a great entertaining. theyre both very athletic but Ward is way more seasoned and fights like a vet the only way i can see bute winning is by a lucky one punch KO but ward is a master at defence. UD Ward
     
  6. Cellz831

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    u can say tha same about Bute. hes KOable
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0[/ame]
     
  7. PH|LLA

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    i don't see the relation between my post and yours.
     
  8. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    the relation is that you both proved than Bute and Ward are glassjawd hypejobs, that shoud be obvious :D
     
  9. Bognashavin

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    The fight would be a good one. I don't think I can pick a winner. would very much want to see this fight.
    Nice work on the post showing what happens when Ward takes a clean shot. We know both men can be dropped.
     
  10. pistal47

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    :lol: Good shout.


    Maybe a bit easier said than done though? Hopefully we will get to see in the near future.:good
     
  11. tito44

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    Bute has as much foot speed and skill as Ward and much more than the likes of Johnson, Froch, AA, and Bika. I do agree Ward, as he does, would try to make it ugly and get inside on him. IF Bute could not keep him off him and get out of there, he would lose. On the outside, straight boxing, Lucian would work him over, maybe ko him.
     
  12. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice. Well thought out assessment. I appreciate the time, effort, and insight man.
     
  13. Vysotsky

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    As i mentioned in more detail above that is exactly how and when Bute lands those uppercuts so there's lots of risk involved.
     
  14. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree in that I think Bute has the edge when boxing on the outside at range. Basically that should be the key to the fight - if Ward can get inside on Bute and take him out of his element, I think it will be a long night for Bute and a lopsided decision in Ward's favor. But if somehow Bute can keep Ward at bay and on the outside I think Ward will be in for some trouble.


    I'm not gonna lie, I am a little biased in my views as Ward is one of my three favorite fighters, and I always root for the American, but let's hope this fight can get signed off, should be a great one.
     
  15. klion22

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    If Ward can stay away from that devastating upper cut, he should win easily. But Bute has an amazing ability to time his opponents coming in. But outside from that, Ward should be fine. He's got much more to his game and will probably smother Bute on the inside and wear him out.