Your P4P top 10 after the weekend

Bradley above Donaire Rob? Gamboa doesn't deserve to be in there also.

 

Based on Achievement, Performance, Longevity and Consistency;

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Floyd Mayweather
3) Wladimir Klitschko
4) Andre Ward
5) Bernard Hopkins
6) Sergio Martinez
7) Juan Manuel Marquez
8) Timothy Bradley
9) Miguel Cotto
10) Yuriorkis Gamboa

Honourable mentions; Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Nonito Donaire, Toshiaki Nishioka, Chris John and Vitali Klitschko.

 

Then why isn't Donaire in your top 10?

 

Ward at 4 is ridiculous on so many levels. He's beaten Froch and Kessler. Apart from that his record is utterly underwhelming. Let's keep some perspective here.

He's in the bottom half of the top ten.

 

There's only Floyd, Pacquiao and Marquez who are locks to be above Ward.

The rest are debatable, I think dominating Kessler and Froch added to some other decent wins is good enough.

All the other names have the same criticism.

Wlad is dominating a poor era, and both Donaire and Gamboa are being matched poorly against opponents they'd beat one-handed.

 

Donaire really has not acheived anything of note, he has three good wins which is less then all of those on the list. Considering his last performance and the fact he has only had one superfight to his CV I think I'm justified.

Ward has hardly lost a round in his career but I see what you mean.

 

Yeah, a stone cold KO is my definition of close. Ignore Martinez though (who I didn’t argue for and IMO shouldn’t be as high as he often is).

Donaire has similar wins and better performances (brutal stoppages of Darchynian and Montiel, plus stoppages over solid opposition like Sidorenko) and should be higher.

Wlad has fought weak opposition (not his fault) but has dominated all of them and scored a boatload of stoppages – clearing out the division counts for a lot.

Juan Manuel Marquez is easily better and more accomplished. He beat, in many people’s eyes, the best P4P fighter on the planet and the best contenders at his weight.

All three of those guys deserves to be above Ward and would, rightfully, put him in the lower half of the ten. It’s amazing what the post-orgasm of a good performance does to people’s assessments.

Btw, Mayweather beating an old, shot Mosley and a green and utterly mediocre Ortiz by sucker-punching him doesn’t make him number 1, except in Biased *****land. I suspect Juan’s low placement is to justify that bizarre assertion. Manny deserves number one for, you know, actually fighting more than once every two years.

 

Considering Navarez was completely safety first after the first three or so rounds, I don't think you can moan at Donaire for not putting in a stellar performance (especially when you factor in Navarez' defence). He still dominated and won nearly every round.

His two biggest wins were again dominant, emphatically stopping both one of the best flyweights at the time in Darchinyan and the number one rated bantam in Montiel. He then holds wins over Mthalane and Marquez, who have both went on to be 'world' champions, and former champions in Sydorenko and the aforementioned Navarez. He wasn't even pushed in these fights apart from the Mthalane one somewhat.

 

I didn't know how to rank the top 3 and somehow contrived to have Floyd ahead, based on his win over Marquez, who obviously beat Pacquiao.

Could you have Marquez first, Pacquiao second and Floyd third? I'm not sure.....

I think Marquez would have beaten Ortiz - who I don't rate at all, and at least two of the Mosley/Cheato/Clottey trio that Pac faced, albeit in less impressive fashion.

 

Who do you think should leave my list for Nonito? You could argue Gamboa I suppose but I think he has been more impressive in terms of performance and more consistent.

 

I would have him over Gamboa, Cotto and Hopkins at least.

Using your criteria, I can see why you have Hopkins as high as you do so I won't argue against that one.

Cotto has only had three relevant wins in four years; one of those a contentious decision over Clottey, a comfortable decision over a glorified champion who unfortunately became injured during the fight, and the other a great performance, but against a faded Margarito who arguably shouldn't have been fighting in the first place.

Gamboa is one of the few elite fighters that Donaire can actually better in both the achievement and longevity categories you have. Not only that, but I don't think Gamboa has been more impressive or consistent than Donaire. He was a bit lethargic in both of his fights against Barros and Salido, arguably his two best opponents to date, whilst Donaire was dominant over his two best opponents. Plus, Darch + Montiel > Barros + Salido. Gamboa has for the most part been fantastic to watch though, and I don't think you can split him or Donaire by that much when comparing their performances.

 

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Marquez
4. Wlad
5. Donaire
6. Ward
7. Martinez
8. Bradley
9. Vitali
10. Pong

 

Some good points there.