Will Saul Alvarez Be As Good As Cotto?

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  1. kirk

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    Isal m'man

    - You can make a list for EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER on the opponents they didnt face.

    Cotto fought Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Judah and Quintana at welter (among others)... none of those fights were pushovers at the time, all were good, decent fights for him when he took them.

    You talk about unification

    Against Clottey, if boxing politics hadnt been involved, that would have been a unification fight man.... Clottey was the IBF champion.

    another unification fight would have been against margarito.

    You cant hold boxing politics against cotto for not having fought other champions.

    I look at the quality of fighters they fight, not whether those fights hold trinkets or not.


    You bring up a baldomir fight, cotto didnt even move to welterweight until after baldomir had ALREADY LOST (easily) to Mayweather.... cottos first fight at the weight class was against undefeated Quintana for a title (a guy who many thought could and would beat cotto)

    Why would cotto, in his debute at welterweight, fight a guy that was just schooled by mayweather, for nothing, then fight undefeated quintana in an all PR showdown and on top of that, for a title?

    By the time they would have fought eachother (after baldomir had taken a long ass vacation), baldomir had already went on to lose once again to vernon forrest while Cotto had more momentum then ever and was becoming a big name in the sport.

    Never were these two ever on top of the division at the same time for any period of time...

    Bringing up cotto not fighting baldomir is just unrealistic revisionist history.

    Why didnt he fight Cintron?

    He did one better, he fought the guy that made Cintron cry and crawl around the ring.... why you would even bring cintron up when cotto went on to face his conqueror in a hugely anticipated showdown is again weird.... and makes me wonder if you have something against cotto for some reason because these are not rational critics against him.

    The only rational critics that can be brought against Cotto for people he didnt fight was Hatton at 140, Williams at 147 and Mayweather at 147.
     
    kirk, Dec 18, 2011
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  2. mdminnj

    mdminnj Member Full Member

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    lol Cotto..who has this guy fought? getting beat up in fights doesn't make you a good fighter....time for Cotto to start stepping up the comp so he can retire. he gets mauled @ 154 by all the top fighters.
     
    mdminnj, Dec 18, 2011
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  3. Mamerto

    Mamerto Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is too robotic and stiff, he won't go beyond being a B level fighter.
     
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  4. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    He's still really raw, above average but nothing special, I'd rate him better than Cotto though
     
    Earl-hickey, Dec 18, 2011
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  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    no, too stationary.
     
    PH|LLA, Dec 18, 2011
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  6. cippi

    cippi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    cotto really ****ed up by fighting mayorga . even if he did fight a game opponent that made sense as far as rankings overall when both careers are over saul alvarez is gonna be better. hes only 21!!! and in his own opinion hes ready 4 the best so lets see if we can get him in there with cotto .

    sense we all kno he aint getting in there wit may.

    man i wish martinez never moved up to 160 !! if he stayed at 154 he would have been way more interesting fan friendly match ups .

    martinez v cotto at 154 would tell us alot.

    but back to the topic when sauls career is over hes gunna be better then cotto hes gunan start putting together a nice resume .
     
    cippi, Dec 18, 2011
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  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    No.

    Thats the simple and correct answer to this thread.
     
    Xplosive, Dec 19, 2011
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  8. avenel

    avenel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    def not look at cottos resume,but that isnt all that fair because hes not even 25 yet terms of skill cotto has more skills will canelo ever get 3 divisions?
     
    avenel, Dec 19, 2011
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  9. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    Too early to tell. Plus, Cotto is an Olympian as well, something Canelo has never done. He is being brought along well but his record is padded.

    We'll just have to wait another 4-5 years to see what Canelo does. I think we'll have a better look at how his career stacks up against Cotto by then.
     
    Heavy Handed, Dec 19, 2011
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  10. eazym1979

    eazym1979 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry i just dont see greatness in Alvarez yet
     
    eazym1979, Dec 19, 2011
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  11. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Based on the last 6 months ive actually got Cotto beating Canelo despite being absurdly out sized
     
    thewinfella, Dec 19, 2011
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  12. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WTF? Canelo's definitely the future of the division but who has he fought that would allow anyone to assume that he could beat Cotto right now? I agree that he's very strong and extremely mature for his age but Alvarez brings nothing to the table that Cotto hasn't seen already. Trust me, he needs more seasoning before you put him in there with Junito...maybe Molina first.
     
    Son of Gaul, Dec 19, 2011
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  13. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His new trainer is an icon in Cuba and will do wonders for Cotto's conditioning without tinkering too much with his style. Canelo's team would do well to steer clear of Junito in 2012.
     
    Son of Gaul, Dec 19, 2011
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  14. IsaL

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    Cotto still needs to prove himself at 154, just like Canelo does.

    As far as I'm concerned, both of their best wins at 154 are against two has beens.
     
    IsaL, Dec 19, 2011
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  15. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think so, but hopefully will do better boxing need great fighters.
     
    Chiko_Tech, Dec 19, 2011
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