Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

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  1. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it does.
    Especially --- Floyd beat Marquez every round.
    Marquez couldnt hit him in the ass.
     
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  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Actually no.......an educated boxing fan wont hinge on the scorecards of a sport known for its corruption.
    Real boxing fans will forever point to the fight as a win for Marquez.:yep:bbb

    Marquez defeated Pacquiao indeed!:deal:cool:
     
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  3. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    OH, poor divac.

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    Dude made him look like a Klingon.
     
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  4. PBF24

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    In that case, Clottey defeated Manny too.



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  5. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    Or Pacquiao after Margarito.

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  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Rolling with a punch like against Castillo is not taking away an angle like a lateral step does.

    Mayweather took one lateral stop while ducking under a punch against Ortiz. He did not set up any new offense from that angle, nor did he take away a good amount of real estate because he circled to his left where Ortiz could still see what was going on.

    And again with the Marquez GIF, with Mayweather ducking to an angle with his back turned in which he can't restart his offensive angle. How irrelevant. And yes, I see him boxing off the back-foot there. When did I ever say he doesn't? I said Mayweather doesn't circle his opponents often, and doesn't do it in the center of the ring in the pocket to restart an offensive angle the way Marquez does. Back-foot boxing is a broad term that does not indicate what I just said. In fact as I sad many times, Mayweather anchors himself on the back-foot and can't often change the angle on his feet, and backs up in a straight line when he shouldn't.

    Look dumbass, you still haven't gotten my point, and posting GIFs like that, you never will. If you can make claims that Marquez can't fight going backwards and laugh at the notion Chavez has one of the best inside defenses ever, then I can feel safe in saying I've watched (and done) more boxing than you have, since FYI it exists outside of Floyd. Now stop posting images that don't communicate relevant ideas.
     
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  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Floyd was often circling to Ortiz's left, and spent half the time backing Ortiz up (very good strategy.) When Floyd was circling in steps, they weren't as dramatic as what Marquez would do in spots. My point of making the thread isn't to say Floyd is flat-footed; that would be absurd. My point is that he would rather judge the distance and get his shots off from right in front of you; those lead rights, the jabs to the body, the right uppercuts, those were all standing right in front of Ortiz and trying to judge his movements. He'll move after throwing, but he doesn't move to a dramatically different angle and restart his offense throwing punches; that's what Marquez had success with; duck under Pac's punches within range, step outside and attack him from the side while he just backs up with his guard up. Then there's the fact that at times when he's rushed in the center of the ring or when he's tagged or even when he's in control, he'll react to his opponent's offense by stepping backwards in a straight line. I still haven't seen a single post that indicates Mayweather does not have this problem.

    You say what I'm writing is complicated, but it really isn't; it may sound complex the way I'm explaining it because simplifying it would have people think I'm criticizing Floyd for things I'm not. I'm just saying is that the way Marquez operates close to Manny with a rhythmic bending of the waist to set up his counters is something Floyd doesn't do, as he'd rather lay back and use smaller movements and his upper body to judge the distance before firing straight in front of you. Manny has been able to get the drop on the majority of his opponents because of his foot-speed, and I believe he can change the angle quicker than Floyd can, because he would rather back up in a straight line when attacked than duck under and end up on another side of an opponent ready to restart his offense.
     
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  8. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    :good Thanks. I disagree with you as I mentioned earlier but you're a great poster and I'm respectful towards other just as long as they're saying meaningful things and not trolling(unless it's hilarious). Look forward to your vid I'm a big fan of JMM & Floyd.
     
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  9. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great technical analysis as usual. You're one of the best posters on this site man.
     
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  10. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    Yup, and he schooled your hero much more clearly this time. :deal

    As for the GIF, Pac nails him with a hard counter left, and he still couldn't finish him off?? Yah, some great finisher :lol:

    If he was such a great finisher, he would of finished him off in the 1st round of their first fight, you stupid *******.

    But its ok, cus once Floyd embarasses your hero, and your hero retires, we wont have to deal with your kind anymore, as you will just go back to your MMGay ****, and forget about boxing all together. :hi:
     
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  11. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Marquez is God
     
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  12. PBF24

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    Great post.
     
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  13. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The post was a great post but until Pac beats Floyd that's when I'll believe that Pac is the better man. Floyd has shown in every single fight he had as a professional, that he can adjust, Pac on the other hand has not. What's stopping him from adapting to Pac, if one way isn't working for him? I personally think the longer the fight, the more it's gong to work in Floyd favor, because of his adapting. Pac only knows one way, the evidence is Marquez. In three fights with this guy Pac has still never adjusted to fighting him. The one guy who gave Floyd a problem was Castillo and the second fight around Floyd came out and beat him more convincelly. Sometime you have to adjust on the spot, and Pac has not shown he can do that. His only chance is to KO Floyd because out boxing him, even with all the punches he throws is not a option.
     
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  14. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    OF COURSE IT DOESN'T "INDICATE" A LOSS TO FLOYD-

    With that said, Floyd does many things that JMM does, but much better.

    Floyd would most likely stop Manny inside 8 rounds-Pac has a punchers chance, but not much more than that.
     
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  15. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post. Very nice break down and has a lot of depth. I actually agree but I do lean towards a Floyd Jr victory if the fight were to happen next. I think the mental aspect and momentum play a major role in the outcome of fights on this level. The last PAC win was not the kind of performance that adds to the momentum and even though Floyd's last win wasn't a great momentum builder it was less of a struggle given how quickly the fight ended.
     
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