My top ten p4p

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  1. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Any adjustments I should make? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4MT_0Blww[/ame]
     
  2. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your top 10 P4P fighters were good in my opinion. The term P4P has several meanings, but though I would change positions in a few, you made good picks.
    For the record hee, Sammy Angott DEFEATED the smaller Willie Pep.
    I would have to include Barbados Joe Walcott, and Mickey Walker for going after the much bigger boys...Cheers...
     
  3. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Thanks Burt! That means a lot coming from you!
     
  4. Boxed Ears

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    It's an honour to have you on our forum, Professor Hawking, I must say.
     
  5. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl

    (i had a sore throat)
     
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    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    1. Sam Langford - 217-48-39, 129 KO's - This dynamo is the greatest fighter of all-time never to win a championship. He beat MANY great names of his day, including Sam McVey, Joe Jeanette, and could have been champion at any weight from lightweight to heavyweight. You could put Langford or Greb at the very top, and I'd have ZERO issue with it, both are GIANTS in boxing history, especially when you factor in what both did against much larger men.

    2. Harry Greb - 260-20-17, 48 KO's - Arguably the greatest offensive fighter of all-time, Greb was a whirlwind, who always fired punches from all possible angles, and who never stopped coming forward. The only man to beat the great Gene Tunney, Greb's resume is fully stacked with hall-of-famers and top contenders.

    3. Sugar Ray Robinson - 173-19-6, 108 KO's - Beat 9 hall-of-famers and 50 top ten ranked opponents. Won titles at welterweight and middleweight (the latter title he won 5 times).

    4. Henry Armstrong - 149-21-10, 101 KO's - Won titles in three weight divisions, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight, and held these three titles at the same time briefly. Is arguably the greatest welterweight of all-time.

    5. Ezzard Charles - 93-25-1, 53 KO's - The greatest light-heavyweight of all-time who later won the heavyweight title, Charles was one of the greatest technicians of all-time. Box or punch, he could do it all with the greatest of ease. Charles has one of the most impressive resumes of all-time, with victories over such fighters as Archie Moore, whom Charles beat three times out of three, and also has wins over Jimmy Bivins (4x), Elmer Ray, two victories over Charley Burley(!), two victories over Lloyd Marshall, four victories over Joey Maxim, Gus Lesnevich, and also, victories over Joe Louis and Jersey Joe Walcott, on top of the many other top ten contenders he beat. Criminally underrated in my opinion.

    6. Willie Pep - 229-11-1, 65 KO's - One of boxing's biggest winners, Pep was a very dominant featherweight champion who relied on defense and counter punching to win.

    7. Benny Leonard - 192-19-10, 71 KO's - Leonard is one of the greatest lightweights of all-time. After winning the title, he lost only once in his next 85 fights, a fight against the reigning welterweight champion, Jack Britton, in a fight that many people felt Leonard threw because Leonard did not want to have to hold two world titles at the same time. The Ghetto Wizard was one of the earliest scientific boxers who had GREAT punching power and excellent footwork. He fought and defeated many great names of the day, including Lew Tendler, Johnny Dundee, Willie Ritchie, and a large number of top ten contenders.

    8. Roberto Duran - 103-16, 70 KO's - Arguably the greatest lightweight of all-time who later moved up and won titles at welterweight, light-middleweight, and middleweight.

    9. Bob Fitzsimmons - 71-8-5, 61 KO's - Fitzsimmons is the first fighter to win titles in three divisions, middleweight, heavyweight, and light heavyweight, in that order. Had arguably the greatest left hook in history, and is the smallest-ever heavyweight champion, weighing just 167 pounds. Has notable wins over James J. Corbett, the original Jack Dempsey, Peter Maher, George Gardner, and Tom Sharkey.

    10. 10. Joe Gans - 151-12-18, 96 KO's - One of the all-time great lightweights, fought and defeated many of the best contenders at the time. Gans was also the complete package. He could punch and box with authority and was an adept counter puncher. Has wins over Battling Nelson, Jack Blackburn, Mike "Twin" Sullivan, Frank Erne, and a large number of top ten contenders of the day. Gans is also the first ever African American world champion.
     
  8. TAC602

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    It's a rather good list if you ask me.

    My Top 5 includes the same names, albeit in a slightly different order (Greb, Langford, Robinson, Charles, Armstrong).
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very good list.

    Fitz above Pep.
     
  10. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    One thing that is pissing me off. You have Leonard higher than Duran, yet you said you rate Duran higher at lightweight. There is no way Leonard achieved more than Duran outside of lightweight.

    I am nit questioning that Leonard could be rated higher P4P, i just dont see who he can be ranked higher P4P than Duran iff you rate Duran higher at lightweight.
     
  11. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Thats pretty much my exact list (although the order is different).

    I have Louis in there instead of Benny who I have at 11
     
  12. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Woah, no need to be pissed. I understand there are some adjustments I have to make, and am open to making said changes.
     
  13. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Its just one of my pet hates.:lol:

    Its like i have seen some people rate Monzon and Hagler in different orders p4p and as MWs.

    I think the problem with your ranking is that( and i am one of the biggest Leonard nuthuggers around) Leoanrd did definitely not, in any conceivable way, do more than Duran over multiple weight classes. So when Duran is rated above him at lightweight but below P4P it dosent fit.

    Maybe your including ability and trying to bring in some hint of perceived h2h ability regardless of weight, in which case i can see the logic of putting Leonard higher.

    Maybe its not a problem with your p4p list and you should compare Leonard and Duran as lightweights.

    Just my thoughts on it.
     
  14. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Nice list-I'd put Pep above Ezzard though.
     
  15. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    I understand now. Thanks! And thank you all for the comments!

    (p.s. - sorry about the text-to-speech, just couldn't talk that day).