Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Peterson began to jog which isn't what constitutes "cutting off the ring". That's chasing... Big difference.

 

Cotto and MAB aren't slick, defensive counter punchers but the can box and move. They have layers to their style and can box or bang depending on the situation. They're diverse in their styles.

So Erik was shot to hell? The same Erik who almost beat one of the top Jr welter weights in the game just this year? Who just became the 1st 4 division mexican champion ever? And he was shot after the rematch with Pac?

Someone send Erik the memo that he is shot and has been because he sure as hell ain't acting like a shot fighter. And my examples are perfect in showing fighters who are good boxers who know how to move and utilize distance as part of the offense and defense.

 

Accuracy is not an option when your opponent takes away your punching angle with the faster feat as you're anchored and hits you from an alignment that favors their offensive weapons.

 

ya know like against ortiz floyd was measuring ortiz with his jab, not even throwing it just like using it to confuse ortiz and find his range etc

when floyd does this against manny do you think manny will try and counter/attack over floyds extended arm or do you think he will try and change the angle to avoid the right hand coming from floyd?

 

seems like you're an expert of your chosen trade. hey, post pics when you get to wild card and teach manny some "cutting the ring" techiniques. i'm assuming you can't, probably you're just "too pretty" to do it :bbb

 

That belief would be true if Floyd would get hit consistently by the same type of punches for 12 rounds, in that case it isn't likely. Their speed won't matter much because they're both equally matched at that category, but timing would be a favor which would favor Floyd the most. Can Manny really get his punches off at odd angles and land on Floyd at a high consistent level for 12 rounds?

 

It's not an easy task, but if he can get an early lead like Judah and DLH had, then he has a chance to get a competitive decision by snagging a round or two later in the fight as well, even if Floyd adapts or Pac starts straying from his discipline. He'll have to be dynamic with his punches and throw rights to the body, left hand leads, left straights to the body before going upstairs, a right hook from the side occasionally, etc. And even if Pac stops using these advantages and Floyd capitalizes with his own adjustments and wins, it will have been more competitive than people thought after the loss of credibility following Marquez 3.

Also, while I don't think it's likely, he could always catch him at some point like Ortiz did right before the headbutt and knock him off balance for a KD or, at his best, a finish. He's the superior fighter to Victor.

 

Bit of an understatement there.

 

Everything said after the bolded is irrelvant. Both those fighter arent what floyd is. Not even in the same realm. Therefor the comparison holds no weight.

Yes. He almost beat Maidana who isnt that good in the first place. Then was awarded a paper title. He also lost every damn round to Zahir Raheem. He was done.

No, sorry they dont

 

How is it irrelevant? No one fighter is the same... Floyd has a style all his own and so does Pac. The point I was making is that they are mobile fighters who use up realestate inside the ring. I wasn't comparing styles. Floyd moves more, but has been less in more recent fights.

Miadina isn't that good? Ok... He just beat top 140 fighters with luck...even if that were true.... He should be good enough to beat a "shot" feather weight, right? And Erik losing to Raheem was more of an indication of EM looking ahead to the Pac rematch and a bad styles match up. A shot fighter wouldn't be operating at this level kid.

Yes they do.

 

They arent fighters that make you miss and then make you pay. They depend heavily on one hand as part of thier attack. Their defensive ability isnt great either. They dont use distance to comtribute to their defense. At ALL. No comparison, bringing them up when talking about floyd is useless. They dont poses any of Floyd's ability, not even close.That's why its irrelevant.

And no Maidana isnt that good. Which is exactly why he almost lost to shot Eric.

Eric wasnt overlooking Raheem. It was complete domination by Raheem. Eric didnt win not 1 round. He wasnt competitive in the least bit. After that he went on to lose his next 3 fights. He lost to David Diaz FFS.

Who has Maidana beat? I mean since he is so good.

 

Are you sure about that? Both Cotto and MAB are good counter punchers....MAB moreso than Miguel. Most fighters are more vested in using their dominant hand. Floyd is a fighter who uses his right more than his left aside from his jab of course... but Floyd's main weapon is the lazer right hand that he sometimes uses like a jab.

Miguel and MAB aren't the greatest defensive fighters but who really are?? Guys like Pep, Sadler, Whitaker and even Floyd. Just becuase MAB and Cotto aren't great defensive fighters doesn't mean they have no defensive skills. They are top notch and very well rounded. But they are more offensive fighters where Floyd is more defensive.

And they do use distance and foot work to set up defense. Just look at Miguel in his last fight to point out something current. I think it's a little ridiculous that you think they are "punching bags" but I'm not going to argue something that's not worth the time.

All fighters pose the same kind of threat from a TWO FIST perspective....ALL fighters have a different style so you can argue that no one can be compared to another...but there are qualities that champions or ATG's usually share.

And again... I wasn't comparing styles.

 

Marquez's advantage over Floyd concerning Pac is that he has already fought Pac twice before thus he already knows how to time Pac's speed and nothing that Pac threw surprised him anymore. Imo, Pac and Floyd meeting for the first time "might" be just like Pac-JMM 1 wherein JMM was completely surprised with Pac's speed and power and if Floyd get's caught with what Pac hit JMM on the first round of the first fight Floyd might not survive but if Floyd gets to the mid to late rounds and adjusts as he usually does then he may win the fight.

 

Good point there actually. Floyd sometimes has a bad few rounds before he takes over, and I wouldn't be surprise if Pacquiao can capitalize enough on those moments of unfamiliarity better than anyone else has. Besides that mental point, I think the psychological factor of having fought Marquez 2 times previous made Pacquiao aware of what Marquez could do with his timing if he over-committed; he showed no such fear against much heavier hitters in Cotto and Margarito, and I think he'll be looking to catch lightning in a bottle with more of a measured eagerness against Floyd.

 

myth busted a long time ago