Juan Manuel Marquez's Place in History

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  1. CHAL_DIESEL

    CHAL_DIESEL GOAT Full Member

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    I been thinking a lot recently about how JMM will be looked at from an historical aspect. Where would you guys place JMM and group him? If the 3 fights with Pacquiao had they gone the other way, I feel as though people would not give JMM his credit. I think that if they had been in JMM's favor the world would just look at is as though Pacquiao was not that good. With that being said I think he really needs and deserves a rematch with Pacquiao, so either Pacquiao can beat JMM more decicively, or JMM can grab this important win. I just don't think history will look back on JMM as having close fights with Pacman, but he is 0-2-1 in those fights, with a potential third loss had one of the Judge's learned elementary mathematics.
     
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  2. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He will always be remembered as a great champion and a nearly man that failed at the last hurdle to greatness.
     
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  3. CHAL_DIESEL

    CHAL_DIESEL GOAT Full Member

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    I agree, but all 3 fights were super close
     
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  4. Sweet EP

    Sweet EP Jab & Move Baby! Full Member

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    JMM one the last one
     
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  5. Clarky Cat

    Clarky Cat Stalwart Full Member

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    JMM won't win a fourth fight because Arum will make sure of it. People will remember JMM losing to Pacquiao the same way they'll remember Sweet Pea drawing with JCC.
     
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  6. CHAL_DIESEL

    CHAL_DIESEL GOAT Full Member

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    I believe Pacquiao would be the betting favorite in a fourth fight. I just think that even though the fights were close, I did not see JMM winning any of the three fights. I actually see Pacquiao winning the next one by KO. That is an interesting observation though, but many people get so wrapped up in rooting for the underdog that their opinions on the outcome of the fight gets construed.
     
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  7. Smokin' Joe

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    He'll mostly be remembered as one of the most technically brilliant boxers of the current era.
     
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  8. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bang on the money Joe.:deal
    He is a late bloomer who probably won't get the plaudits he deserves till he retires and it'll be too late.He hasn't quite had the same level of admiration that Barrera and Morales got,but boxing will be a poorer sport without him.
    And the only people who really don't rate him at all are the more delusional Pacquaio fans.I like Pacquaio,but the nonsense his rabid fanclub spouts leaves a sour taste.
    He is a fabulously skilled,intelligent boxer and one of the best counterpunchers of the modern era.
    I'll miss him when he retires.Thanks for the wonderful memories Juan,even in defeat you are still a winner to anyone who can look at boxing through objective eyes.
     
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  9. JMP

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    He'll be remembered as a great fighter with counterpunching brilliance, excellent technique and technical skill, and as having the heart of a lion. I think when people look back on the Pacquiao trilogy, despite Pacquiao's two "wins" on paper, most will remember Marquez as getting the better of him (which by any reasonable objective scoring criteria, he most certainly did).

    At the very least, he's on an equal level with Barrera and Morales, even if he doesn't have the resume they do for various reasons.
     
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  10. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The man who was denied greatness 3 times by the so called p4p best in the world
     
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  11. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    PAC lost to a bloated 38 year old **** drinker.

    He didn't even knock him down and he struggled, papa roach even said he needed a k.o to win. Infact all he needed was paid off judges. Good job Julie cesr Chavez isn't about he would really tear that little mongoloid a new *******.
     
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  12. Smokin' Joe

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    :deal
     
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  13. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    If I were him, I wouldn't fight Pacquiao a 4th time. His legacy is cemented with the close fights he's had with Pacquiao. People feel he won some of those fights and is on even keel with Pacquiao; the result of the third fight actually benefited him.
     
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  14. ianwigley

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    But was robbed by Bob Arum..
    Pac-JMM III
     
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  15. ianwigley

    ianwigley Guest

    ^This

    You sir, are a ****ing champ.
     
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