Just direct copy of my previous post on the thread below. Over 80% of everyone watching that fight saw Marquez winning. Less than 5% saw Pac winning with the remaining seeing a draw at best. Reality is Pac lost, even you blatent obsessive huggers know. Roach said Pac needed a KO to win. Arum said it was a business decision. Its called robbery of the year. The fix was in so bad that even if Marquez would have knocked Pac down in every single round they would have disqualified him for punching him in the face. And if you ACTUALLY believe Pac won you should just kill yourself right now cause ******s like you are whats ruining this sport and allowing fight fixing to go on.
first... where did you get your statistics? and when did roach specifically say that pac needs a KO to win? how about the idea of roach saying that so that pac leaves no doubt on who had won? if you think that more people see jmm winning, it was because he did more than what was expected of him this time around but did not necessarily do enough to win or got the officla judges nod. and if you think that we should decide boxing matches by fan votes, let's just put a rule where it should be decided by text messages and internet votes and lets do away with the official judges who were trained specifically to score fights. also if you don't agree personally with the official judges verdict, let us just say that the fix was in and it was a robbery. some people are too emotional with the result of this fight that they can't judge clearly by themselves. i suggest for everyone to get a copy of this fight and watch again and you would be surprised on how close this fight was.
I predicted Pac would win and win big, was nothing emotional about it Pac lost. 80% is actually conservative because almost every online poll outside of a Pinoy one had Marquez winning by 80 to 85%. There have been SEVERAL post with every fighter/judge saying Marquez won. Less than 5% of people saw Pac winning. Roach said during 1 of the last rounds that Pac needed a KO to win. Boxing is scored on 4 main criteria: 1 Clean punching, 2 Effective Agression, 3 Defense, 4 Ring Generalship. Marquez EASILY won all these 4 criteria, the only thing Pac has going for him is volume ie ineffective aggression. Im stealing the following from Pahapoisu: AMIR KHAN "MAYB A GOOD DRAW OR MARQUEZ BY 1-2 ROUNDS." http://twitter.com/#!/amirkingkhan OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes." http://twitter.com/#!/oscardelahoya Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! Wake up people and realize that we can no longer tolerate corruption in our sport. There needs to be a primary governing body." http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarvelous0ne Sugar Ray Leonard "Marquez is really the winner! Too many distractions for manny! http://twitter.com/#!/SUGARRAYLEONARD Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know , guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. Boxing is f#$ked up. man he just got cheated u wouldn't wanna interview either ...I know I wouldn't. his own trainer knew wut the verdict should've been listen to the in-between rounds instructions http://twitter.com/#!/usscunningham Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/mattmacklin Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!" http://twitter.com/#!/andreward Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME. I just left the MGM, I'm disgusted #LongLiveDinamitaMarquez" http://twitter.com/#!/_FernandoVargas Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges." http://twitter.com/#!/1Babybull Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!" http://twitter.com/jeanpascalchamp Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!. totalmente roboooooo" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations! Total Roberry" http://twitter.com/terrible100 Lem Satterfield, Ringtv.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113, Marquez Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com/CSNBAYAREA.com: 115-113, Marquez Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114 Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114 Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114 Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Sugar Ray Leonard said Marquez won! Marvin Hagler said Marquez won! Bernard Hopkins said Marquez won! Floyd Mayweather said Marquez won! Oscar De La Hoya said Marquez won Andre Direll said Marquez won! Zab Judah said Marquez won! Steve Cunningham said Marquez won! Anthony Direll said Marquez won! Matthew Macklin said Marquez won! Andre Ward said Marquez won! Terry Norris said Marquez won! Andre Berto said Marquez won! Omar Henry said Marquez won! Chris Arreola said Marquez won! Rashad Holloway said Marquez won! Fernando Vargas said Marquez won! Juan Diaz said Marquez won! Amir Khan said Marquez won! Anthony Mundine said Marquez won! Erik Morales said Marquez won! Jean Pascal said Marquez won! Marco Antonio Barrera said Marquez won! Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. said Marquez won! Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. said Marquez won! Jorge Linares said Marquez won! Peter Manfredo said Marquez won! Michael Marley said Marquez won! Darren Barker said Marquez won! Marcos Maidana said Marquez won! Raul Martinez said Marquez won! J'Leon Love said Marquez won! Lou DiBella said Marquez won! Josesito Lopez said Marquez won! Nazeem Richardson said Marquez won! Sergio Martinez said Marquez won! Only the most rampant BIASED emotional people thought Pac won, why do think this was robbery of the year? no not because Marquez did better than expected but because Marquez EASILY won this fight. Arum afterwards told Marquez that this was a business decision (obviously to salvage the Maywather fight) Now you can either keep living with your head in the sand (or up Pacs ass) or you can just admit that your hero got his ass handed to him which is what the reality is. Does not make Pac a bad fighter, hes still a ATG but Marquez proves his style is just too good for Pac to handle. Pac lost this is a undisputeble, unargueble, undeniable fact, no matter what 3 paid off judges put on the record. This fight is SO controversial that it will forever be known by any reputeble boxing site and scribe as a Marquez win.
point to me where roach exactly said the line "pacquiao you need the KO to win". he did say that he needs to stop him but it doesn't mean it's because they are losing, he could just mean that don't want this in the hand of the judges. and i'm saying that you are too emotional since you are accusing the official judges of being paid when your personal opinion of the fight does not agree with them. question, how many times did you watch the fight and how did you score them? can you please show your round by round score of the fight?
Are you really that thick? you just said yourself that Roach said he needs to stop him... why would he say that unless he thought he was losing? christ. I watched the fight about 7 times now the first few times i scored it 117 - 111 Marquez and eventually i settled on 116 - 112. Now 115 - 113 for Marquez i need to score this very poorly and start rewarding Pac with just throwing and not landing which is not how you score fights. Anything closer than that and it just gets into the realm of pure fantasy. Emotion has nothing to do with this, i wanted Pac to win and i predicted him to win to setup the Mayweather fight. But i can not stand fighters getting robbed, and this was a daylight robbery. I pointed out to you all the facts, explained to you how to properly score boxing. I also posted the stats, i showed you the opinion on MANY experts. If you actually scored this fight for Pac i suggest you either switch sports or from now on only watch Pac fights and be happy that he is around for your entertainment no matter if he actually wins legit or not. But scoring fights objectively is clearly not your thing. People that ACTUALLY believe Pac won this fight should NEVER EVER be allowed to score a fight ever again untill they receive proper training on how to score boxing.
you are really full of assumptions. roach saying that pac has to stop marquez doesn't necessarily mean that they are losing. it could also mean that they don't want this at the hand of the judges since they think it's too close to call like the other two fights. show me your round by round scores. blankets statements like what you said This content is protected is truly annoying. it's like you alone only have the knowledge and nobody else. if the official judges scored it for the other, then they are paid. did it occurred to you that they have the better position than you when you are watching the fight on tv? did you ever think that they can hear the punches better and gauge and judge better if they are more effective than yourself?
I'll take the pro refs three verdicts over a random fan any day. If anyone got robbed this year, it was Chisora. You must have either have been really drunk or had a lot of money on Marquez to manage to give him 9-3 in rounds. This was either a 7-5,6-6 or 5-7 fight. To me Marquez wasn't busy enough, and really didn't hurt Pacquaio. But I can see people giving him points for cleaner punching at times.
Pac landed consistently with clean shots. The "grazed his shoulders and guard"-argument is not valid considering this fight.
You few people can keep makingup excuses all you want, it was not a close fight and it was a clear win by Marquez. When less than 5% of the people think Pac won. When Arum says it was a business decision. When Roach says they needed a KO to win. When almost every boxer and expert say Marquez won. When using the 4 main criteria on how to score boxing Marquez clearly won. Maybe its time to stop lying to yourself and just accept Marquez won? Either that or you can always start following the WWE, you obviously enjoy pre arranged winners. I could not care less if the VAST minority of people here think im annoying, imagine how annoying you 5% are that actually keep keeping your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALA" to all the facts. When almost everybody fan and expert alike tells you something maybe its time to admit you are wrong.