Pac Won The Fight Against Marquez

aren't you the one making up the excuse that the judges were paid up?

i asked simply for your round by round score and why you think it's a clear win for jmm. most have it a close fight no matter who is the winner.

 

If you had used the 4 main criterias there is no way you would have scored it 9-3.

Maybe stop lying to yourself, learn to score right and score it correctly next time.

The majority right after the fight doesn't mean everybody. And several fans and other people changed their mind when watching it again. That clearly shows how close it was.

Accepts the score and move on. You can continue like this forever and it won't change the fact that this was a close fight and the judge favored Pacquaio by majority decision. And only the guy who had i 116-112 might be said to be a little generous(but not totally of base either).

 

i know, just my opinion. He is 38 and has been in a lot of wars.

 

I think the WWE is more suited for you, you wont have to hurt your brain trying to score fights.
Seeing as people missing punches is scoring points for you.
Also its robbery of the year for a reason, people are not going to move on and it will forever be a Marquez win, deal with it.

 

Marq - Pac
1 9 10
2 10 9
3 10 9
4 10 9
5 10 9
6 9 10
7 10 9 (Roach at this point was actually telling Pac he was falling behind)
8 10 9
9 10 9
10 10 9 (somewhere here Roach says they need a stoppage)
11 10 9
12 9 10

117 - 111 my original card for Marquez.
Now i can concede 1 swing round to Pac for a 116 - 112, and if i REALLY want to throw the main judging criteria out of the window and start scoring grazing punches i can maybe get to 115 - 113.
Actually giving it to Pac just means being high on drugs and start scoring thrown punches that actually just did not land at all.

This fight was a exhibition on Ring Generalship with Pac only doing what Marquez allows him.
And most of all effective aggression and CLEAN PUNCHING, not hitting gloves/grazing/air.

 

:blood

What do your scorecard look like if you count the punches Pac landed in Marquez face? I am sorry, but the "grazing shoulders, arms and gloves"-song is not valid here.

 

Sike!!!

 

No need to thank me :good

 

i understand that you have given marquez most of the rounds because you preferred his counter-punching style than pacquiao's aggression and activity.

but too many close rounds where there's a thin line on who should be the ring general and has used effective aggression.

marquez was too passive in some points of the fight for me to give him as many rounds as you gave and the official judges could have seen the same. pacquiao had initiated the action for about 80% of the fight. and in very close rounds, it could have made the difference.

 

I prefer someone landing clean punches over someone hitting gloves/air/grazing punches.
Its really that simple.

I score it on how fights ar supposed to be scored.

Clean punching : Marquez not even argueble.
Effective aggression: Here you can sorta throw Pac a bone being aggressive but it was not effective so Marquez as well.
Ring Generalship: Who fought whos fight and who dominated the flow of the fight? exactly Marquez easily.
Defense: Who slipped/ducked/blocked more punches? also easily Marquez.

If you really are going to score fights on being "busy" "aggressive" "outworked" i guess Pac and Calzaghe are the GOATS.
Ibeabuchi vs Tua was the the fight between the 2 greatest heavyweights of all time seeing as they threw the most punches right?
**** Ali and Louis clearly.

Once you actually start scoring this fight for Pac it means you are about as credible as being a WWE juddge.

When less then 5% of people think Pac won this fight (80% marquez, 15% draw at best) its just time to admit you are wrong or rewatch the fight and score it by applying the RULES OF BOXING and not just oh Pac threw more and came forward so he won.

 

Im actually sorta decent with Sony Vegas 10 and made some gaming vids and edits but that said whats the point?
When you are so obsessed with a ceirtan fighter to the point where you are completely blind to reality it wont help anyway.

I will actually stayup till 5am to watch Pac fight, hes a good guy and i believe a clean fighter.
Also defended his chances vs Mayweather and even now after losing to Marquez i think he has a good shot because styles make fights and Mayweather does not counter punch in simular fashion to Marquez.

Im a fan of Pac as he brings entertainment, but his athletic ability far outweighs his actualy boxing skill.
And the simple fact is he lost a boxing match and outside of a few rabid obsessive fans everybody knows it.

 

Or as a pro box judge.

Pac landed cleanly in Marquez face during all rounds.

You gave three out of the four first rounds to JMM. As I recall it was possible to give him one, cant remeber which one though. There is no way, just no way, JMM nicked three of them rounds. Pac outboxed him and outlanded him. Are we supposed to give JMM the benefit of doubt just because he moves backwards and automaticly assume he showed more skill?

 

Pro boxing judges also scored Helenius over Chisora, they get paid off all the time.
Hence robbery of the year.

Saying a boxing judge scored something in nowadays business means absolutely nothing.
This year has seen a ******ed amount of robberies, problem is the JMM vs Pac one had historic significance hence its such a outrage and voted robbery of the year.

It was that clear and that obvious and a LOT of people saw it.

 

clean punching: you must watch it again and see how many shots of marquez were either blocked or avoided by pacquiao. you cannot count punches that hit the gloves as clean.

effective aggression: pacquiao was the aggressor most of the fight that marquez was just content to counterpunch. make no mistake, pacquiao was hititng jmm with right all night which is something he failed to do in fight 2.

ring generalship: both were playing a chessmatch with pacquiao more on the aggressive side. in close rounds, the more active fighter could have been awarded by the offical judge which is the case for this fight.

defense: both showed good defense. marquez fighting of the backfoot and moving laterally while pac blocking most of marquez shots in his guard.

 

Yeah, using official results isn't really anything solid. Most of times they get it correct, but MANY times they haven't.

Whether it's because they have been paid off, are drunk, favour a certain fighter/style, or whatever.

It's unfair to so many fighters from the past who have clearly won only to be on the end of a bad decision (loss or draw).