How about this -Robert Hoyle Official Judged 114-114 -Dave Moretti Official Judged 115-113 Pac -Glenn Trowbridge Official Judged 116-112 Pac -Harold Ledderman HBO 116-112 Pac
How about this ? Roach said during 1 of the last rounds that Pac needed a KO to win. AMIR KHAN "MAYB A GOOD DRAW OR MARQUEZ BY 1-2 ROUNDS." http://twitter.com/#!/amirkingkhan OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes." http://twitter.com/#!/oscardelahoya Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! Wake up people and realize that we can no longer tolerate corruption in our sport. There needs to be a primary governing body." http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarvelous0ne Sugar Ray Leonard "Marquez is really the winner! Too many distractions for manny! http://twitter.com/#!/SUGARRAYLEONARD Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know , guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. Boxing is f#$ked up. man he just got cheated u wouldn't wanna interview either ...I know I wouldn't. his own trainer knew wut the verdict should've been listen to the in-between rounds instructions http://twitter.com/#!/usscunningham Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/mattmacklin Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!" http://twitter.com/#!/andreward Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME. I just left the MGM, I'm disgusted #LongLiveDinamitaMarquez" http://twitter.com/#!/_FernandoVargas Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges." http://twitter.com/#!/1Babybull Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!" http://twitter.com/jeanpascalchamp Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!. totalmente roboooooo" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations! Total Roberry" http://twitter.com/terrible100 Lem Satterfield, Ringtv.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113, Marquez Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com/CSNBAYAREA.com: 115-113, Marquez Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114 Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114 Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114 Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Sugar Ray Leonard said Marquez won! Marvin Hagler said Marquez won! Bernard Hopkins said Marquez won! Floyd Mayweather said Marquez won! Oscar De La Hoya said Marquez won Andre Direll said Marquez won! Zab Judah said Marquez won! Steve Cunningham said Marquez won! Anthony Direll said Marquez won! Matthew Macklin said Marquez won! Andre Ward said Marquez won! Terry Norris said Marquez won! Andre Berto said Marquez won! Omar Henry said Marquez won! Chris Arreola said Marquez won! Rashad Holloway said Marquez won! Fernando Vargas said Marquez won! Juan Diaz said Marquez won! Amir Khan said Marquez won! Anthony Mundine said Marquez won! Erik Morales said Marquez won! Jean Pascal said Marquez won! Marco Antonio Barrera said Marquez won! Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. said Marquez won! Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. said Marquez won! Jorge Linares said Marquez won! Peter Manfredo said Marquez won! Michael Marley said Marquez won! Darren Barker said Marquez won! Marcos Maidana said Marquez won! Raul Martinez said Marquez won! J'Leon Love said Marquez won! Lou DiBella said Marquez won! Josesito Lopez said Marquez won! Nazeem Richardson said Marquez won! Sergio Martinez said Marquez won! :roll: Just because the judges are officials doesnt mean they get it right every time.
People scoring the fight for JMM does not seem trustworthy. Just look at this post. Pacs aggression was "totally negated"? What??? Pac landed plenty clean straight lefts, jabs, one-two's, hooks, rights. I take it you where unable to see this?
Some ESB-posters are beyond belief. Arum paying of judges are now seen as an accepted fact. How about Pac landing more than JMM? Is this relevant in the debate?
Yeah this, there is no point in discussing this. Pac will never beat marquez very clear via a wide decision and marquez heart wont allow him to get stopped. Therefore you will always get these close controversial fights no matter what weight they fight at.
Add to that, almost 65% of members on this forum alone thought Marquez won. And this a forum with a large amount of Pacquiao fans. We can argue this 'till we're blue in the face. But the boxing community in general knows that Marquez won that fight, simple as. I don't think it's even worth more discussion at this point.
Funny i take a break from this thread for a bit and the few vocal obsessive pac fans are still trying to defend that robbery. Just let it go, the vast majority believes JMM won, because he did win based on how you are supposed to score a fight. Throwing fast flashy punches that are not effective, not hitting, or being slipped/blocked should not score you points. I dont understand why you people keep defending Pac though, Arum bought you your decision to salvage the Mayweather fight (As Arum told JMM it was a business decision) You got your "win" , noone with half a brain cell will ever accept it but its the official result so just be quiet and be happy that you got your "win" No amount of shouting or screaming will ever convince the vast majority that Pac won. Just be thankful that your hero has uncle Arum to "convince" the judges. When even Roach thinks Pac lost you know its nonsense.
*******s are funny, they are claiming the judges scorecards are always right. So I guess any boxing fight scored the judges are always right? LMAO Just glad that the whole world saw pac get expose once again by an old Lightweight.
so 3 of the top judges in the sport gave the decision to Pac, obviously there is stuff on there that the average tv viewer did not see.
yeah and all these people are professional judges right....oh wait they're not...your argument is a fail.
A **** ton of pro boxers agree that Marquez was the real winner. Pacquiao got booed out of the arena. His face said it all. Even he knew he had lost the fight.
Nope. But those fights were a lot closer then the third considering Pacquiao scored knockdowns in those. It gave him more room for failure. The third fight is much easier to score then the other two.