Who has done the most at SMW. Froch or Bute?

If Magee is Bute's best win there's no way he can have a better resumé than Froch. Lol!

Bute's best win is either Andrade II or Johnson. I'm leaning towards Johnson and IMO that win is enough to 'qualify' for a shot at Ward.

 

You are trying to make this about weight, instead of quality, so you can make your cherry-picking hero look like a real champion. But he is still a paper champion, regardless of your nut-hugging.

Froch beat a lot of world-class fighters; some were moving up or down in weight, but they were all great fighters. Seven of them were champions, former champions, or future champions.

Bute has beaten a lot of mandatory bums and is milking his paper title like a true paper champ.

 

he faced some better opposition in Ward and Kessler but lost to them.He beated some "names" but they were all unproven at smw.People who say Bute hasn't faced anyone and never hear of Berrio,Bika or Andrade have no clue.I also rate Magee and Mendy as a decent wins cause Megee is a b+ fighter and Mendy was undefeated in 29 fights when he faced Bute.

 

BAILEY LOGIC

"Pascal did NOTHING at super middleweight "

but you gave Joe Calzaghe credit for beating Pete ****ING Manfredo!!


if Pascal has done NOTHING at supermiddleweight..what the **** had Pete Manfredo done? :hi:

 

Lets get real.

For years and years many saw Trinidad as Hopkins defining and best win.

Yet Trinidad hasn't done anything at MW.

Look at the fighter's quality first.

 

carl froch no contest

 

Record wise, its Froch.

He has the more quality wins. Sure he loses a couple of points for wins over fighters moving up, so does Bernard Hopkins with the Tito and DLH victories at MW, but in both cases you still have to take the quality and history of the opponent into account, even if they were campaigning at a lower weight class. You just don't wipe the slate clean and say they haven't had success at the new weight, and that therefore the victory doesn't count. You could certainly downgrade the victory a tad, especially if the opponent continues to show nothing at the weight, but not to the extent were you are ranking victories over the likes of Berrio and Andrade as superior to Taylor and Abraham just because they're natural SMW's.

Having said that Bute looks the more accomplished operator to me, and I would expect him to outpoint Froch quite widely and even give Ward a run for his money.

 

Pascal would have murdered Manfredo

 

Froch and its not close. Which is why when Ward beats down Bute many will just simple say, "who has bute beaten for this to be a premier win?"

 

Froch has fought the better fighters and Bute as much as i respect him

needs to step up in competion

 

Just because the opponent doesnt have a solid resume at the given weight dont make him a lesser fighter:-


Wladimir Kiltschko UD12 David Haye
...But David Haye didnt do **** at HW.

Hopkins Knocking out Trinidad against the odds dont mean jack because Trinidad was a Welterweight.

Mike Tyson KO1 Michael Spinks
.....But Spinks is a CW.

Hagler UD15 Duran, ....Duran was a former LW who aint done much at MW.

Joe Louis one of the greatest HW's lost to Cruiserweights Ezzard Charles and Marciano.

Monzon's best wins over Griffith and Napoles aint much since they were Welterweights.

Sonny Liston best win over Cruiserweight Patterson.

SRL beating Duran, Duran was a former LW.

Pryor's win over Arguello aint much either.

Mayweather KO Hatton, Hatton was nobody when he put on 7 extra pounds.

Hearns most decorated win at MW was over a LW.


7 pounds = 3KG

For a prime athlete with good conditioning at a decent age with good nutritution and no bad habits, this doesnt make a major difference.

But for a boxer near the end of his career who already lost 30 odd pounds to and has to cut down 7 more, then maybe.

BTW, Froch's SMW resume > Bute's.

Froch's has fought the better opposition.