**jack dempsey lists the greatest fighters**

Who the hell is Mark Hauser ?
To prove his POINT he disregards reality. Too numerous to recite his bias against a man who he has NEVER seen,and cites Dempsey's FOUR round fights with a fat spoiler Willie Meehan who fought 4 rounders often. in a regular bout the rising Dempsey would have killed him. Then he brings up the Jess willard slaughter, when there were no neutral corner laws, and
Dempsey did what he was ALLOWED to do, and in any other times Dempsey would have won by a tko after the 3rd knockdown, but Willard after 7 floorings was allowed to come out for the 2nd round. Then of course Mt. Hauser ,whoever he is, brings up the Tunney fights, to demean Dempsey's true abilities, KNOWING perfectly well, that Jack Dempsey after NOT fighting for THREE years, without ONE tune-up, without his longtime
manager Jack Kearns, and a slow moving shell of his prime, lost to a razor sharp Gene Tunney. This was not the true Jack Dempsey, anymore then
the Ali who was beaten by Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes,and Trevor Berbick,
was the Ali of his prime...But of course the eminent and fair Mark Hauser
knows this . Cheers V...

 

Rocky your correct in saying this marc hauser " don't know Jack". He has his agenda to defame Dempsey by citing half-truths about Dempsey. He mentions Dempsey fighting Billy Miske in 1920, koing Miske in the 3rd round, after Miske beseeched Jack for a bout. But Hauser to enforce his agenda or from sheer ignorance fails to cite that after Dempsey kod Miske
in 1920, Billy went on a streak, winning his next 19 bouts out of twenty, beating ,Bill Brennan, Jack Renault, Charley Weinert, koing Willie Meehan 1rd, koing Fred Fulton in 1 rd, etc. He had to be in remission during that time, as he was going great guns AFTER Dempsey kod him. But of course
Mr. Hauser overlooks the evidence, to make his CASE...Cheers Rocky.

 

My point was to show both sides of the equation, including one who ignores the views of those who saw Dempsey to show how uninformed an opinion can be when going down that path. With that in mind, I don't give Mark Hauser much credence as i'm still of the opinion that the 1950 AP poll is the starting point of any debate about where Dempsey belongs in terms of ATG heavyweights. To deviate from that on the basis of racism, or other criteria is simply nonsense, because it implies that Dempsey was his own manager and promoter. He like most boxers fought the guy who was put in front of him, that's all you can ask.

In his prime he was something special, but all fighters, including Ali and Tyson loose something when they have extended layoffs while also aging and to judge them against their worst performances doesn't do justice to any fighter.

 

No.

 

who does he say after Fitzsimmons but before Peter Jackson ?

 

You have to acknowledge that there is a considerable movement against Jack Dempsey on this forum at the moment.

It is moved forward by an unholy aliance between those who sincerely question his credentials, and those who have a grudge against him.

 

He is rated far, far higher than his record and the evidence we have really allows by some. He is clearly judged to a different standard to most fighters. Inactive champion who defended against sub par opposition and was defeated by Butterbean.

 

This is something many critics conveniently forget, that Miske, though stricken with a chronic condition, had A LOT of gas left in the tank. Bright's disease, as it was known, comes in periods of inflammation attacks. Miske may have known his kidneys were shot, but it didn't mean he was constantly debilitated, just that sooner or later one of these attacks would be the last one and lead to his demise. I think it was Miske's last fight against Brennan that he was even eating and was considered too weak to get to the ring. He KO'd Brennan in 4 and was dead in 6 weeks. But that was over 3 years after Dempsey bout.

 

When exactly did this take place?

 

1918-1926

 

If you can't post a thread about a fighter, that is in no way related to their strengths or weaknesses as a fighter, without it turning into a full blown attack on them, then I think it is fair to say that you have a lot of people out to get them.