Rank These Ten Hispanic ATG's.......

Alexis Arguello
Wilfredo Gomez
Nicolino Locche
Eusebio Pedroza
Ernesto Marcel
Carlos Zarate
Juan Manuel Marquez
Antonio Cervantes
Lupe Pintor
Antonio Esparragoza

 

Hispanic, Mexican? Whats the difference.

 

None.

 

1-Alexis Arguello
2-Wilfredo Gomez
3-Nicolino Locche
4-Carlos Zarate
5-Antonio Cervantes
6-Ernesto Marcel
7-Juan Manuel Marquez
8-Eusebio Pedroza
9-Antonio Esparragoza
10-Lupe Pintor

 

All Mexicans are Hispanic, but not all Hispanics are Mexican. Gives us more to work with :smoke

 

Nicolino Locche
Alexis Arguello
Ernesto Marcel
Wilfredo Gomez
Carlos Zarate
Antonio Cervantes
Eusebio Pedroza
Juan Manuel Marquez
Lupe Pintor
Antonio Esparragoza

In terns of H2H ability, I'm actually liking Marcel as # 1. I'm guessing most would probably pick Gomez there.

I'm actually uncomfortable with having Locche as # 1 here. There's too much unknown about his career and Argentinian fight judging is suspect at the best of times.

 

My criteria are:
Resume
Dominance
Longevity
Character.

I didn't include h2h ability.

Basically I think he has the best mix of resume, dominance, longevity and character of those listed there.

His resume is suspect, but taking it at face value, it's an outstanding one.

For a detailed breakdown of what my criteria mean:

[FONT=&quot]P4P CRITERIA[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]RESUME (50 POINTS) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The focus is on the quality of fighters beaten, but:
- The size of the opponent and difficulty of the task is relevant to the quality of the opponent (e.g. John Ruiz is a better win for Roy Jones than Juan Manuel Marquez is for Floyd Mayweather, even though Juan Manuel Marquez is a better fighter than John Ruiz).
- Beating someone at their peak/in their prime counts for more than beating someone past their peak/prime, so it's not just the 'name' that is relevant to the quality of the fighter but the stage they were at in their careers.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Beating a fighter in a title fight should count for more than beating a fighter in a non-title fight, assuming that the fighter was at their best for the title fight and the fight was over a championship length, which tests a fighter’s limits to a greater extent than a fight scheduled for less rounds (e.g. a win in a 15 round fight is worth more than a win in a 6 round fight, all other things being equal).
- The quantity of fighters beaten counts a little too, so beating a quality opponent more than once is a plus.
- Close losses contribute to assessing the quality of one's resume.
- Not close but nevertheless honourable losses count somewhat too.

DOMINANCE (40 POINTS)
Indicators of dominance include:
- Consistently winning (early losses or past prime losses don't get penalised that much).
- The manner of victory (ko's, shut outs and near shutouts etc. are all indicative of dominance).
- Cleaning out divisions.
- Conquering in multiple weight divisions.

LONGEVITY (10 POINTS)
A fighter scores well for longevity if:
- They are around at a high level for a long duration of time.
- They have a lot of fights at a high level.
- Ideally a fighter should have a combination of both of the above to score extremely well for longevity.

CHARACTER (10 POINTS)
One gets points for character if they do things like:
- Take risks (e.g. fight everyone in and around their weight division and not duck opponents, offer rematches, go out on their shields in an effort to win fights rather than hold on just to survive etc)
- Overcome adversity.
- Bear up well to adversity even if they don't win (and this is shown by the ability to take an ass whipping when it's your way coming, so durability counts here).[/FONT]


I should update my definiton of character to including 'taking fights away from home', because I think Locche should falter somewhat there. Much easier to stay in one's backyard and do one's thing. Other fighters like Duilio Loi who i rank highly should suffer there too.

 

atsch Sal, once again, putting his anti-heavyweight bias on display. Where's Johnny Ruiz, Sal? Where the hell is Johnny Ruiz, brah? :-(

 

In order of hispanic-ness? :think

 

Interesting list of fighters. Think the term(s) your looking for in general is latino/hispanic as hispanic is Mexican.

01. Arguello
02. Gomez
03. Zarate
04. Locche
05. Pedroza
06. Marcel
07. Cervantes
08. Pintor
09. Marquez
10. Esparragoza

 

I want to see this list.