Calzaghe the KO Specialist

He'd be the GOAT :deal

 

I think the question here is about POWER, do you understand that?
And BHOP wasnt prime and was not shot for sure, it was SD in wery close fight, does that prove anything about Joes power, NO. So whats your point?

 

LOL gotta love how people throw in the race card, grant it I'm not an african amercian man but I'm pretty confident a double standard would not come into play here. He's undefeated and he will be an ATG but there's a reason why I don't hear much about him when speaking in circles of boxing enthusiasts. I beleive many are like me when we are jaded with his name when speaking with individuals from across the pond. I could never imagine him holding a torch to guys like Dick Tiger, the Mongoose hell even Spinks.

 

I take your point, I just feel that American boxing fans do not give credit to fighters not from America(bar Pacquaio), the Klitschkos being a prime example of this. Calzaghe had elite skills, his drawback was that he and his management did not believe in those skills to put him in against tougher opposition when he was at his peak. It's also a shame he never fought Ottke, he would have exposed him.

I believe Joe would be competitive against any SMW ever, including RJJ and James Toney, not saying he'd beat them but it'd be competitive. I also think he beats any SMW today including Ward. As for your point about double standards, if he was American I bet you'd get less Americans calling him a 'slap happy bum' etc.

 

Understood, the Klits are a unique breed its rare that you find men of that stature that have considered boxing as their main occupation. Lets put aside the fact that these guys are 6'6 and 6'7 and you have now opened the doors to endless possibilities even in this dry heavy weight era. But like Joe you can't knock these men for being the best at their weight class despite the lack in talent. I agree Joe would be competitive with almost every super middle in history...would he win all these bouts? I'm not sure about that. He's power wasnt extraordinary but he got the job done and its unfortunate he didnt get a chance to face RJJ in his prime.

 

dude if he was African American you'd have even more haters and he'd never have had the kind of following that Calzaghe had in his home country.

Calzaghe should thank the stars for being born a white man, otherwise the slap happy bum would never have gotten the chance to make any money.

jesus christ, I just cringe thinking about that style of his.

 

Oh and I agree he would have exposed Ottke.

 

Compare how they use the same stoppage - Manfredo.

Notice how yours is from the backside. No body wants to see the good side where it was stoppage from a million slaps.

And E.Honda slaps harder

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Well lets not go overboard here, I agree his style wasnt very aesthetically pleasing but he was fast and quite intellegent. In my opinion during he's reign the only two that would have beaten him where prime RJJ and prime Toney.....at light heavy Chad Dawson would have gave him hell but knowing Chad his mind might have wondered.

 

No one's talking about Ward's lack of power. Calzaghe had more power than him imo, certainly at his age.
Some of these arm chair fans don't realize how hard pro boxers are. I know a guy who fought at that weight who only won about 7 in 30 3 ko's and he's solid.

 

I think Joe's power was enough to make his opponents respect him, but he didn't have the power of RJJ. Joe v RJJ in their primes would have been a fantastic fight from the view of seeing two such unorthodox fighters deal with each others styles, RJJ would win of course by close but clear decision. With Joe getting the respect he deserves, what has Ward (not knocking Ward by the way, I'm a big fan of him) done so far that Joe had not? Will Ward go on to become the lineal LHW Champ as well? If he did and retired 46-0 I'm sure he'd get far more credit from Americans for achieving the same as Joe. I don't believe Ward has defeated anyone that would have troubled Joe.

With the Klitschkos I feel they are mostly a victim of the weak division they dominate. I understand the argument that just because they are dominant, doesn't make the division weak. However, look at the fighters individually, Chambers, Adamek, Haye, Arreola, Helenius, Povetkin are not greats and if they were around in the 90's at the time of Lewis, Holy, Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, would they have been considered amongst the best in the division?

 

People who complain about Calzaghe having been given easy stoppages should watch the Lacy fight. That should have been stopped on a few occaisions.
After that Lacy was never the same but now people say that former olympian who made 4-5 titles defences was a bum. Even tho most picked him.

 

WHO THE **** IS LACY . . . HAHAHAH! Man you Calslappy nuthuggers are only made because Bute, Ward and Froch have done have already done twice as much as your idol and will soon eclipse his legacy! Once one of these guys become the BOSS of thee current division Calspappy will no longer be considered one of not the best SMW champ. Being the best at SMW is his only claim to fame and will fall off anyone's top 100 ATG list (if he makes it now).

The guy slapped like a ***** and only had so many KOs because he fought at home so much:hi:

 

I agree 1000% Lacy was a bum and Joe easily outclassed him! they should have thrown in the towel long before the final bell

 

Well again lets put this proper prespective, its highly unlikely and damn near impossible to imgaine Ward going 46-0. Look who he has faced and no envision him going 20 more fights with facing the same caliber or better. Just not going to happen, I don't think that's a fair comparision. I agree I also don't think Ward has faced anyone that would have troubled Joe, I beleive the outcomes would have been similar.

Now in regards to your second paragraph are you asking me if those fighters would have been considered amoungst the best? They might have been on the outside looking in, just like they are now. My point focuses more on their intangibles and size compared to your average heavy, its hard to evaulate skill sets when your 5inchs taller and 20lbs heavier than a guy he may just be the better fighter but can't overcome the difference in body mass. Look at a guy like Eddie Chambers, now for a second imagine him 6'7 245lbs and Wlad would have been dismatled, again this takes nothing away from who they are and their achievements.