Donaire moving up, but leaves unfinished business behind

instead of going in the Bantam tournement he fought Montiel, so wouldn't say he was ducking anyone, come on Colin

 

Ducking? No.

But also, never dominant.

 

and this is the problem!

Going down is harder than going up so it is best to take care of business on your way up and he hasn't done this. In each weight class I wanted to see him unify against the champs. Fighters never believe it but when you hold all the belts you are a name regardless. All roads lead to you. As a titlist, this isn't the case unless you actually are a big name. Donaire isn't as big as he should be yet.

 

He's wasted time. And isn't as phenomenal as everyone seems to think.

 

That's the problem with Boxing nowadays, too many fighters and promoters don't care about proving they are number 1 in their weight class, they are all looking at the mythical P4P Rankings as some kind of validation of their standing and they think that by winning as many titles in as many different weight classes as they can they are proving themselves to be elite and their right to belong in the P4P Rankings.

But for me they never really build a legacy and they never prove their longevity, experience, skill as an elite fighter because when you don't take on the best around you and when you move around the weight classes fighters careers lack direction, look at Donaire does beating Vazquez Jr and winning a vacant really mean more than beating Mares? Look at Robert Guerrero his entire career has lacked direction and cohesion (I know that is in large part down to his wife's illness and a nasty move from Goosen to GBP) sure he has some good wins on his record but it's hard to be sure what they mean when as soon as he wins and sets up a good potential fight he is moving to the next weight class.

I find it extremely frustrating when you get fighters that get a couple of good wins at their weight class prove themselves to be number 1 or there abouts and say they have nothing left to prove at that weight class. Gamboa says there is nothing left to prove at 126 yet he has faced maybe 3/4 legitimate top 10 fighters (only 1 Top 5 IMHO), what about Jhonny Gonzalez, Chris John, Mikey Garcia, Juan Manual Lopez has he really proven himself to be above those fighters and does moving up to 130 or 135 present any better fights to him other than Brandon Rios, not really. What about Andre Ward he says Bute has not earned his right to face him, why? Bute may not have been in the Super 6 but he has 10 mostly dominant title defense's against the best of the rest and is the definite number 2 at 168, conversely who has Ward beaten, Froch and Kessler, take them away and his resume is worse than Bute's.

Rant over, I hope someone read that and was able to make something out of the mostly inaudible crap that I just wrote :tired.

 

I think the Vasquez fight will be a decent watch, I'll stay up for it. Guys don't care about dominating divisions anymore it's get a strap, then move up. 5 weight world champion sounds great don't it. Sadly lot of the time they didn't even beat top guys in division to be called world champ but that's the nature of the beast nowadays. I don't care anymore just wanna see good fights.

 

Colin you make it sound like he's been fighting bums his entire career with the Dib comment. He's beat Darchiyan and Montiel who have been the best fighters around these weight classes over a decent period of time.

 

I agree I want to see good fights but I also want to anticipate a good fight before it has happened and then to be happy when it meets the high hope, and know that the winner has really accomplished something by winning that fight. More often than not when you get a good fight now you weren't really looking forward to it and can be caught unaware of the fight because the two guys involved haven't been building anything or working towards meeting one another (and I don't mean in the JML-Gamboa do anything but fight one another or other top 5 fighters way), and then afterwards it is just a good win for them. Will we see another Salvador Sanchez-Wilfredo Gomez or Felix Trinidad-Oscar De La Hota type fight, I'm not sure because fighters are too fleeting in their weight classes and picking up vacant baubles nowadays.

 

Yep that's modern boxing, i've adapted my expectations to the here and now as much as i don't like it you just gotta do it. As T said Colin Donaire's not been fighting poor opposition.

 

True but I'm pedantic and have very high expectations, so whilst I enjoy the fights for what they are I cannot help but be frustrated by the current state of Boxing. Donaire has faced good fighters but but he has had quite a few wrong opponents, Narvaez and especially his three fights at Super Flyweight were the wrong options for him at the time.

 

Mate i'm the same, I've been brought up in final era of the great boxing times IMO the 90's/early noughties. Today's boxing is totally different from titles worth to ring entrances to hype on tv to the fighters in the ring. Now i look past the titles and just take fights on who's fighting. All the Pac-Mayweather stuff and stuff like that isn't worth my bother nor are the rankings etc. It only gets you down as a fan but when it's all said and done it's the fights i care about. I always look back to childhood and wish them days and them type fighters will come back but for now i try embrace the current crop even if i don't think there as good as there peers from yesteryear.

I actually think boxing picked up this year in terms of fights made, hopefully 2012 will follow suit.

 

This.
Donaire v Montiel was the best fight out there and was already agreed before Showtime announced their contest.
I mean suggesting Donaire is ducking Mares:huh

 

Not sure that Sahaprom was ever no.1 @118. Therefore, neither was Hasegawa. Neither was Montiel.

See where I'm goin' with this? ;-)

 

It would be a disappointment if he didn't fight Mares. Abner isn't even on that level though, he'd be destroyed. But its a fight that should be made.