Cheating... and then Hall of Fame?...

if its allowed, it ISNT CHEATING.

 

I have to agree that when there are question marks it does make a person wonder

 

Give it a rest, vast majority of pro athletes are on steroids. It's amazing how dense you are, to keep repeating the same thing over and over.

 

Because naturally if you broke your hand during the fight, it affects your performance.

Trainers should bring with them xylocaine at the fight I case their fighter breaks their hand.

 

I've seen this Lidocaine situation being thrown around for a long time now. I've never bothered to explain what I'm familiar with because I've felt people were throwing this out there just to counter the allegations that the Mayweathers started against Pacquiao. But it seems at this point that some of you guys actually believe this hype or have twisted it to an extreme.

Lidocaine does not work to enhance any type of training or fight when it comes to boxing. It is simply a blocking agent that is used to sedate locally and temporarily depending on what strength you use (from .5% - 4%). It is used either by injection, spray or transdermal (patch). Not by pills or any other oral means. We use it mainly pre-surgery, treat small injuries or to inject along with heavy antibiotics etc..
It was used on most of you guys when you were circumcised or when your dentist had to pull a tooth out.
I agree that lidocaine would numb your arm and therefore you would not feel pain while training. But, by not feeling pain and the damage you are causing to your arm with impact, you would only damage it even further. So using any blocking agent while training is not only pointless, but counter productive. Now assuming that Mayweather does train 3 times a day as he says; then he would've already damaged muscle, tendon and bones beyond repair by now.
Now you say that it is "legal to use" in Nevada and that's why May always prefers to fight there. Well, it is not legal to inject anything on your arms days before a fight, let alone minutes before it since Lidocaine is fast acting and short ranged. He would have to inject it in the locker rooms. Or have you guys seen him spray it (which wouldn't work since it would have to be an open wound)? Or a patch on his arm? Crazy, isn't it?

Last. I do believe Mayweather injured his hands and used it as treatment in the past. That is mostly certain, as we treat those types of injuries at work on a daily basis. Whether Lidocaine, Marcaine or any other local anesthetic, Mayweather, along with just about every other boxer out there have used it at any point of their lives. Just like most of us have. Check your medical records. :hi:

 

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Lidocaine is not a sedative. It is an anesthetic and anti-arrythmic drug.

It's not a short ranged drug either since its half-life is 90- 120 minutes and a duration of action of 0.5 to 1.5 hours.

When in training, lidocaine does not have any use otherwise you would be an idiot to suggest that like what you are espousing.

Why would you want to numb your hands during training? What is the logic behind that? So that you can punch the bag harder or punch your sparring partner harder? On the contrary, it should be avoided especially if a fighter had a history of brittle hands. Otherwise, during the actual fight, his hands might be too shot and broken.

It simply does not add up to suggest that it is being used during training.


It is also my first time to read that lidocaine is used to treat injured hands. That is simply preposterous. Lidocaine has so many side effects and possible adverse effects that it cannot be used casually. Infact, with the kind of pain that they are blocking (meaning bones of the hands injury), doing intra-muscular and intra-dermal injection would not do the job. It has to be a nerve block, either the radial or ulnar depending on the area (which by the way only a qualified medical doctor can do).

Lastly, lidocaine by itself has a duration of action of around 30-90 minutes depending on several factors. However the addition of epinephrine prolongs the duration of action significantly, simply because of the vaso-constriciton that epinephrine does.

Once again, try reading journals first before commenting. It is just plainly stupid.

If you read the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of lidocaine, you will understand why I believe it should be a banned substance.

If you look back at fights that happened in the past 100 years, there are several fights where the outcome is affected by presence of injury during a fight, specifically hand injuries. Most of the time, that fighter becomes a single handed fighter against a fighter who has facilities of his two hands. Unfortunately, that is just a natural part of boxing - you injure yourself, you lose. Injecting with lidocaine eliminates that part. The playing field now becomes uneven. The other fighter who did not inject could quit if during the fight he suffers hand injury. Or we cold reach a point where trainers are allowed to bring lidocaine with them if in case someone gets hand injuries.

 

Is English your first language?

 

This.

There are basically 2 types of boxers: Those that have been caught after using PEDS, and those that haven't been caught after using PEDS.

Let it go, already.

How about fighters who cheated in others ways? Ali routinely hit opponents while holding them behind their heads. Blatant cheating, and he knew he'd never get called on it. (his management was very well connected.) Should Ali's name be removed from the HOF?

How about an athlete who keep his own blood, enriched with extra oxygen, then injects himself before the fight. This absolutely happens (not just in boxing) No one ever checks for this. Is it not cheating?

Things will just get worse and more convoluted as technology improves. Just let them do what they want (short of plastered wraps) and enjoy the show.

 

I don't think you read much of what I posted because your reply is simply adding to what I originally wrote.
Half life of 120 mins. is def. short. It is an anesthetic as you and I mentioned. Don't pick throw words like you don't know what I'm trying to get across.
Of course no one would want to train with Lidocaine. That was my point all together since people are under the idea that this certain boxer takes advantage of it.
And yes, Lidocaine is used in abundance at anyone hospital in the US (don't know where you're from so your regulations might be different) when dealing with injuries such as preparing for hemtoma block. Our orthopedic unit goes throw it like candy. Broken bones, fractured toes/fingers.. you name it.
Of course there are risks to it when overdosing, but that's another story which I'm not debating.
I don't know what kind of advice you're trying to give me since what you know is what you've read in journals. I'm using my familiarity which I come across on a daily basis at my job. Don't get personal here. We're discussing the idea that Mayweather uses lidocaine to "punch harder" as you've mentioned.
As far as banning lidocaine, well it is useless as there are countless other local anesthetics to use besides it. Besides, the line between local anesthetics like Lidocaine and other over the counter drugs is very fine. You'd have too much trouble trying to define what is right and wrong. But that's another topic too.

 

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Those are the arguments I'm trying to debunk since they're all simply not true. I'm not interested in going back to reading pharmacology journals on my time off .. maybe when I'm on the clock

 

Come on now. No. With or without steroids.

 

Sedation , sedative ---- for sleeping


Anesthetic ---- for pain


The problem with you is that you type out of your ass.

Why don't you just jump together with whoever posted that ass-post.

 

You actually did not debunk any of those.

You just posted whatever comes to your head as an argument when simply you don't know what you are talking about.

You actually think someone would use lidocaine during the training period.

 

Are you really trying to pass your limited knowledge as legitimate.

Are you saying that lidocaine is an over the counter drug?


What other local anesthetics are you trying to imply? Bupivacaine?

Those drugs belong to the same family of drugs. Their difference is subtle, Besides when banning something, it is usually as a class of drugs, not basically just one drug.

Example - androgenic steroids. here are probably hundreds of natural and synthetic drugs that belong in this family of drugs but all of it are banned.