Let's Speak Frankly About Felix Trinidad

Tito vs Mosley in 2000 would have been an incredible fight, two physical phenomenons in their primes. Would dearly love to see that one play out. My money would be on Tito shading it, after knockdowns galore.

 

Quartey had less problems with left hooks than Trinidad had with jabs from technically solid boxers and Quartey would be 1 of the best he'd faced, effectively an orthodox Winky Wright who supposedly learnt his style from Quartey. I had Quartey beating Oscar and Lopez too despite having slowed significantly in my view. Plus in my mind if past his best Quartey can outbox DLH and DLH can outbox Tito....

Although you're right Quartey did have his lapses and could be hurt, he was never stopped, but granted Tito has a punchers chance but I'd see it more likely Quartey would suffer a KD or 2 on the way to a widish decision maybe knocking Tito down himself. Let's not forget Tito was knocked over plenty of times himself

 

Tough fight to call.

I'd give the edge to Mosley - only because I like him more - that's my only reasonable argument!

 

Don't forget though: Winky is much bigger (and better defensively) than Quartey and Tito was a good deal past his best by the time he fought Winky. At welterweight, this is a whole different scenario for me.

As for the DLH comparisons with Quartey and Tito, I think Tito faced a much better DLH than the one Quartey faced. DLH came in overweight for Quartey.

I think Tito is pretty hard to discourage, even if he does get consistently hit. The Hopkins fight showed that. I simply don't think Quartey could deal with Tito's pace and even if he does take a lead, Tito would buckle him late and catch up if not outright stop him.

 

The good post I was looking for:good

I didn't like Trinidad growing up because I felt he was a threat to Whitaker, and for good reason. He deserves a lot more respect than he's getting on this board. Remember that quartet of welters: Whitaker, Trinidad, Quartey and later DeLaHoya. And Terry Norris waiting in the wings at 154.

Tito's competition was good considering what he did as he rose in weight. Remember Don King was his promoter as well, dividing the better matches that should have been made.

 

An excellent fighter, who because he lost so called boxing experts credibility (and for some, money), as he moved up in weight and was not quite as good as Hopkins et al; he gets wrongly dismissed.

 

Did you see the Wright-Quartey fight? Quartey was the landing the cleaner punches and it was a close fight, without the flash KDs (2 of the 3 weren't real KDs at all) he could have been given a KD. He was quicker and actually managed to back up the bigger Wright, fresh off what should have been a win for the MW titles against Taylor. Ike was at the age of 37, coming off a 5 year retirement with his feet up enjoy the fine Cognac and Cigar's he'd enjoy, while also coming off a robbery loss to Forrest

Imagine if these decisions went this way: Quartey-Delahoya, Quartey-Forrest, Winky-Taylor and let's give Quartey the close Winky fight on clean punching and not call the dodgy KDs :yep

Yes Quartey would beat Trinidad, too good technically for him and he's greater too :smoke

 

Wright has always been a good absorber of punishment, not a great dispenser of punishment. His strength is useful in being able to handle bigger, powerful punchers. His offense isn't heavy stuff so it's no suprrise Quartey stood up to him.

Ike did ok in that fight, but it was a horrible clash of styles and Wright looked damn sloppy in there as he himself was starting to decline. In any case, it was a clear Winky fight, even without the knockdowns crap.

If you want to have a look at how Quartey does with a stronger offensive unit, see the Vargas fight instead.

He could have had some close decisions go his way, but at the end of the day what we can say is that he held his own with some of the best of his time.

 

Without the KDs that wasn't any clear Winky fight, Winky looked old against the older innactive Quartey because Ike was simply better in my view, the only thing Winky had was size, Quartey landed the better punches while Winky mainly missed.

Quartey was flat out robbed against Oscar and Forrest, not close fights he could get the nod but flat out robberies, let's get that straight

Vargas did beat Quartey, that's a point I'll certainly concede. But Vargas is an educated pressure fighter while Trinidad is not and Quartey was old/innactive. Vargas applied pressure against Oscar much better than Tito did too. Not to mention at 147 Tito will suit Quartey better when fighting a bigger drained fighter

Honestly the decisions boil down to 1 thing:

Trinidad/Oscar/Forrest/Winky = Golden Boys (Winky less so)
Quartey = the man they wanted to use his name and then get rid off

 

I'd say quartey would be better suited to trying to impose himself on Tito and pre-empt the stalking KO coming from the other side of the ring.He's very big and strong at the weight and a hard hitter himelf(though the ko record was definitely overblown)with a sturdier base than Tito, who always had stiff legs and a struggle fighting in directions other than straight-forward.

I think he definitely loses if he gives too much ground, focuses largely on the jab and just lets Tito keep stalking forward.****, i think he could well lose to the rawer less talented prototype Tito, Colin Jones if he does that.Far too susceptible to pressuring left hooking when he goes onto the backfoot.

Definitely an intriguing fight for me though.I'd probably put money on Tito then be shitting myself his sturdiness was going to let me down.

 

DLH beat him imo so he would be ranked below Golden Boy. He had a habit of ending careers but against skilled boxers he couldnt catch or ko he would lose. E.g. Match him up against Sweet Pea and he would look silly.