Why did Lesnar never develop as a fighter?

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  1. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    'His precision is, uh, very precise'

    'Roy Jones Jr respects the hands of Forrest Griffin'

    :lol:

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  2. horst

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    boxing 101!

    Mma 101!

    Jiu-jitsu 101!

    Wrestling 101!

    Talking utter ****ing bollocks 101!
     
  3. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C31Vu6B9MFI[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYRtmmSNIFg[/ame]

    Who the **** is George Holmes? :D
     
  4. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't mind Goldy, he seems like a nice enough guy but he's clueless when it comes to commentating fight sports.
     
  5. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    I agree that had Brock done as you say he would have had more success.

    But Brock wants to be 265 and being 265 was a drawback to his wrestling and his striking. Brock stopped showing balance and recovery a long time ago - two key ingredients for success against a well pedigreed HW striker.

    That thing that sets him apart from the rest, size, was no use against someone close or as big who has worked their leg sharpness.


    Getting quality work for a 265 pound man is a major job - we have a number of 220 HW's but only had one at 260 plus. It is a nightmare if they are not prepared to challenge themselves as they get more complacent with their size. You can't get them to work properly with 220 pound guys either.
     
  6. horst

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    Fair call, good read :good
     
  7. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    i tell you what I laugh when I hear Pat Barry is his striking partner. Is he still? Pat is honest but lets call it as it is - he is zero challenge in the gym for Brock. If Brock put his ego aside and worked with a striking team for a year things would look different. But he wont.
     
  8. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    Goldberg is only rivalled in the stupidity stakes by Brian Kilmeades "Judu" and "Sumu"calls.

    You have to go way back to reach those levels of MMA insight.
     
  9. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't even know who Brian Kilburn is :lol:

    The worst commentator has to be Pierre Guillet, I think thats his name, He's the idiot from BAMMA.
     
  10. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    Sorry its Brian Kilmeade not Kilburn. :patsch

    On Fox now.
     
  11. bachatu

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    his biggest weapons are his size and strength, combined with his wrestling which worked with against who he was matched up against early on. since he came along with no fighting experience, they concentrated on utilizing and making his assets work for him as opposed to working on his weak areas. the margin of error was very low to begin with. when he fought someone that could neutralize it, he was left with his skill set which was not much when comparing to his opposition
     
  12. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    And sparring with a 5'10 Barry doesn't help against a 6'5 263 Overeem.
     
  13. AnthonyJ74

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    But he lost to a guy who is like 5 times as experienced as he was. Considering Brock's experience, the guy did exceptionally well in his short MMA career. Overeem has had like what, 69 fights? He beat a guy with 5 fights. Granted, Brock managed to win the title and defend it, but he was still vastly inexperienced. He was getting by on marginal skills, immense size and strength, and heart.
     
  14. AnthonyJ74

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    Give Brock the same experience and seasoning as Overeem, and I'm sure the fight would have played out differently. Should Overeem get much credit for beating Brock, a guy who has had a handful of fights?
     
  15. Vitor Belfort

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    Cuz he relied on his wrestling too much. He reminds me of fighters like mark coleman and royce gracie who just wanted to master one form of martial arts.