Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Marquez own trainer says Mayweather is the more skilled boxer. Not just faster, bigger, or stronger, but more skilled.

 

Great Thread BT. I appreciate your ability to break the subtle, technical aspects down, so even a novice understands them. The beauty of it is, it's not based on speculation, and even though we have yet to see the MW fight, the points you bring out make perfect sense.

Always read about discrepancies in size, reach, and boxing IQ, and volume punching, but this is the most specific analysis I've read yet.
Thanks brah.

 

But, he picks Pac to win this fight.

 

Do you have a link for Nacho's analysis of the fight?

 

Overanalyzing. Floyd is better than JMM and completely schooled him. He's also a bad style match up for Pac. On paper he should school him.

 

http://boxingnewsworld.blogspot.com/2011/07/nacho-beristain-pacquiao-will-beat.html


Dude probably sees more than he's 'too tough or strong'.

MW is still the favorite in my book, but we will never know till the fight happens.

 

Mayweather weighed over 155 on the night, allegedly. Paid JMM an extra $600,000 because of it. JMM never stood a chance. Obviously I'm not saying he would have won if Floyd had come in under the weight limit, but he would have made it more competitive at least, I have no doubt about that.

 

Basically. The fight isn't that hard to predict. Floyd beats Manny with ease. Manny is a great fighter but Floyd is a better one. Its just a bad style match up for Manny. If Manny messes up then Floyd will counter him. There is no way in hell Manny can leap in on Floyd and not get countered damn near every time.

 

The Ring mag stated Floyd was 152 on fight night. He was only 150 for his last fight.:think

 

Thats not a very thorough analysis.


I have long figured that Pacquiao just cant handle fighters with cultured right hands, and Pac being unable to beat Marquez convincingly for a third time, despite holding on the physical advantages sealed that for me.

And Mayweather as a fighter is just much more complete then Marquez and Morales, from a skills standpoint, not even adding the speed or strength factor.

Pacquiao and team have to hope Mayweather regresses substantially. For example

End of the 2nd round, Pacquiao vs Morales
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Look at Pac's attack, how wild, how off balance, how undisciplined it is, then look how effortlessly Morales takes a step to the ropes and cracks Pac with a right hand.

And thats what Mayweather does best, uses his opponents momentum against them. Pacquiao leaves so many openings, how does he not capitalize?

 

That's what they say. As far as I know, Floyd personally refused to reveal his weight on the night which suggests to me it might have been heavier than that. Either way, he didn't bother to make the weight. JMM is already a naturally smaller man, it's a disadvantage. But JMM's training camp was a disaster for the fight too. There were several factors involved. Surely you agree that JMM could have performed better in that fight?

 

Why would Mayweather weigh more then he ever has before, when he didnt use his weight to beat Marquez. Doesnt make much sense bud.

If the Marquez of the Pacquiao fight fights Mayweather of that night, how many rounds do you think he wins? Keep in mind Mayweather won every round, and landed close 60% of his punches, and Marquez landed 12%. Probably the most lopsided in any 12 round championship fight ever.

 

This is where you as a Mayweather fan discredit yourself somewhat.

To say that Mayweather adds a dimension of speed and quickness that Marquez does'nt have is one thing, but to say that he does things better is something that cant be proven.

I dont agree with Bogatazo's premise that Mayweather fighting in straight lines would be his potential downfall for Pacquiao.

......but Marquez certainly does things in a ring Mayweather does'nt.
Marquez' combination punching and varied repertoire with it is something Mayweather cant match.

You know Pacquiao's ability to get off some shots form the wierdest of angles? Marquez capability of shooting his combinations off from what seems like an odd angle is something that puzzled Pacquiao as well.


I agree with you that Pacquiao vs Mayweather is a mismatch of a fight, but certainly it is'nt a given that Mayweather is a better boxer than is Marquez.
Both Mayweather and Marquez are great boxers, one better than the other cant be proven.

Imo Maywearther lack of a combination punching repertoire is made up with his God given quickness and speed asset that cant be matched by JMM.......so thats what I say to those Pac fans that say Mayweather would be troubled by Pacquiao because he does'nt throw in the combination pattern that Marquez does.
To them I say, "It does'nt matter, Mayweather's much higher level of quickness and speed offset his lack of throwing in combination."


The bottom line for me and the key in both Marquez and Mayweather beating Pacquiao is skill and know how.

Knowing how is actually a criteria that is often overlooked by many.


When I hear the phrase "know how" I can equate Mayweather and Marquez with that phrase, but I cant do so with Pacquiao.

Pacquiao is a physical freak of a fighter, but "know how is'nt something I equate to him when I hear his name."

 

I keep repeating this in different threads in regards to this subject matter of Mayweather's physical strenghth to beat fighters.

The way Mayweather executes his defensive manuevers requires him to be physically strong both at his base and upper body.

Mayweather most certainly used strenghth, size, and weight against Marquez, and it was a major key in the fight.

 

Agreed. Mayweather is deceptively strong. He outmuscled Hatton and Mosley. And he does have a very strong base for absorbing shots and parrying his opponents offense.

However the fact remains. Mayweather never imposed his size on Marquez. He didnt lean on him. He didnt attempt to push him around. He didnt grab and hit, or hold Marquez. For the majority of the fight he outboxed him on the outside.



Mayweather is just a more skilled boxer then Marquez all around. Marquez does some things better. He does punch from varied angles, and has a more varied offensive arsenal in terms of combination punching. But in terms of all around game, defense and offense, Mayweather is more skilled. Add in the size and speed advantage, and it was a wipe out. Dont know if any of that changes if Mayweather had fought Marquez at 130 or 147.