If Frank Mir breaks someone's arm for the 3rd time, should he be sanctioned?

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  1. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    thats the last broken limb youll see from mir i assure you because its the last time any of his opponents will be ******ed enough to try holding out when he locks on a sub
     
  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I doubt he even knows who he is :lol:
     
  3. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Yes you are right, it is very rare.

    Rare to the extent that if Mir breaks another arm in his next fight, he'll basically have as many ugly arm breaks as the rest of the UFC roster put together.

    Which means that Frank Mir is going out of his way not to merely win the fight by submission, but to snap an arm in front of an arena full of people. Not because it needs to be done, but because he enjoys doing it.

    That would be a problem for the sport, like it or not. There would be uproar in major media outlets about this high-level UFC guy who gets a kick out of inflicting gruesome and serious injuries on his opponents.

    A guy stringing THREE - not one, not two, but THREE - badly broken arms together is singlehandedly dragging the sport back to its "human **** fighting" appearance. He's doing it very deliberately, because he wants that reputation. And there is nothing to deter him from deliberately snapping the arm of a controlled opponent instead of holding an armbar for another second or so.

    That's not really acceptable in a mainstream sport.

    So what, if anything, can or should be done?

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  4. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Frankly you are talking like somebody who has never grappled nor has ever applied a submission even as a beginner. It is ALWAYS the guy getting armlocked or leglocked responsiblity to tap.

    In fight A) Mir broke it because he applied the armbar too far down, what is he going to let it go and start over? its tantamount to hurting a guy with your forearm when you ment to punch.

    In fight B) Nog had plenty of time to tap and refused, it wasn't renzo vs saku was it? It was a conscious choice

    Otherwise get over your squemishness, it is a joke that guys can get utterly pummeled into the ground or given brain damage in boxing over an extended period and you are interested in broken limbs which heal easily with little to no perminant damage. :lol:
     
  5. PIRA

    PIRA Arise Sir Lennox. Full Member

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    Since when have arm breaks ever driven an audience away? Pure conjecture.

    Good luck to Frank if he manages to find a third person who is stupid enough not to tap.
     
  6. kokoko

    kokoko Active Member Full Member

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    Personally, I don't think it's a big issue.

    In interviews, Mir has already admitted that he likes the reputation of breaking peoples' arms, which hasn't been picked up by the media. He also has stated that he knew that Nog was not going to tap, so he got in position to intentionally break his arm.

    If Mir did break another arm, and the major media did get news of it, then the UFC could react in various ways. They just got to weigh their actions and try to balance what action they take between what the different demographics of their fans want: hard core versus casual, those who love blood versus those who view MMA as a sport, newcomers to the sport versus long time fans. I don't think it will happen, but if your hypothetical came true, here are some things that CAN be done.

    1. Throw up a disclaimer before a UFC event, especially those on FOX, that things could get bloody, that bone breaks could happen. If a break did happen, explain why it happened, "Nog did not tap." That UFC will pay for his operation. That is it very rare for this to happen.

    2. Censorship. If it's on Fox, then blur it out. A lot people who watched UFC for the blood would be pissed, but the fans that enjoy it as a sport might be satsified. Other small things like not doing the post fight interview with Nog lying right behind Mir and Rogan, while they gleefully discuss the break might help, also.

    3. Choice, which will probably be possible if the UFC wanted it, for at least PPV's. Have a PG version and a normal version of UFC event available on PPV. Where in case of gaping wounds, broken bones, and excess blood, that **** gets blurred out. Probably make everyone happy.

    4. Don't put Mir up against anyone that would probably not tap. Don't put Mir on a Fox card. Keep him on PPV, where injuries like this are probably a bit more accepted, as the PPV buyers tend to be the more hardcore fans.
     
  7. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    I think your making this more dramatic then it has be, if the guy taps this doesn't happen not to mention these have happened over a long period of time, it's not like every second fight this happens.
     
  8. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    :-(


    Did I need to somehow be MORE clear? :patsch

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  9. JohnJohn

    JohnJohn Active Member Full Member

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    Next up, firefighters get arrested for fighting fires.
     
  10. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Which is why I'm saying that it's not an issue, unless one fighter decides that his "thing" is going to be breaking people's forearms.

    That's why I'm not calling for Frank Mir to be punished for what he did against Nog.

    I'm only asking, what happens if the same guy does it in a major fight for the THIRD time? Third time is different from the first or second.

    :hat
     
  11. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    It's different if the guy is tapping and he doesn't let the hold go until it breaks. Mir does his job, who would have guessed he would have broken the arm of the best HW BJJ's of all time, it's not like he broke some the arm of some rookie.
     
  12. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    See this is exactly the kind of discussion i was hoping to get going! :happy

    With regards to your numbered points:

    1) Agree completely. They can even turn it into something of a pro, if they say things like "These are real fights, and unpredicatable things happen in real fights."

    2) Blurring seems like it would be technically difficult, and it would suck hard if the "live" fights were being delayed so that the UFC could watch for injuries. But I agree that in the event of a Nog-style break, then Rogan needs to do something different than his usual "Tell us about how awesome that was!" routine.

    3) Don't know how feasible that is, but maybe it could work. Myself, I'd buy the uncensored version. I don't mind blood, and limb breaks are a real rarity.

    4) Can't matchmake Mir only against guys who will tap. That's unworkable. But I agree, I wouldn't be letting him anywhere near a Fox card. :yep

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  13. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Based on the things he was saying before the fight, and how disrespected he feels by Nog and how important Frank's BJJ is to him, I would have guessed that Mir would snap Nog's arm if given the chance. IMO It's quite clear that he would rather break Nog's arm than simply submit him.

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  14. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    To be honest I'm glad he snapped his arm. After their last fight when Nog get's on the mic and says he had staph infection and was half dead...bla bla bla. basically taking everything away from mir's win because mir was the first to finish him. It didn't matter Cain KTFO him even quicker not far after.

    If Nog was too ill to fight he shouldn't have taken the fight instead of disrespecting mir like he did. but Karma came back to haunt him.
     
  15. Francis75

    Francis75 FAB 4 Full Member

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    This is ******ed. Should Mir be sanctioned for breaking some ****s arm who didn't tap ? Get the **** out of here.

    What next should fighters be sanctioned for knocking someone out ?

    Ridiculous thread.