Why did Lesnar never develop as a fighter?

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  1. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Hard to develop when you are scared to get hit in the face. Lesnar is not and was never a legit fighter. He was a sideshow/hypejob by Dana White.
     
  2. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    I wonder if Brock would have been able to beat Ishii?:huh
     
  3. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    Your right , wins over Carwin,Mir,Couture,Herring don't mean anything....the guy never even had 10 pro fights and still accomplished this.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I'm sure he has done some developing. Look at how he was hitting the bag way back when. It's around the 43 second mark.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTczMKtmvdQ[/ame]

    I think the main reason his development wasn't so obvious was the gap in experience from his 2nd fight on. The only reason he was able to compete at that level is because of his size and athleticism.

    I also believe he wasn't getting hit in camp, and this slowed his development from a striking stand point. You have to remember, he still defeated Carwin despite this; so he may not have even concentrated on this until after the Velasquez fight. I have no doubt he was doing legit sparring for this last bout. He was obviously nervous against Overeem, but he kept his composure a lot better than he would have a year ago. Brock took some hard shots, and didn't turtle up until after the liver kick.
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    :huh

    Lesnar was a legitimate fighter, as demonstrated by beating other legitimate fighters. Sure, he couldn't take much of a punch, but he worked around that problem in several of his matches because he was: (1) extremely big and strong, and (2) a pretty good wrestler.

    He didn't deserve a lot of the hype that surrounded him, but many far more experienced fighters found him hard to beat. Yes, he failed some imaginary pound-for-pound "well-roundedness" standard. In real life, though, he beat a lot of good fighters put in front of him.

    In any case, he's done now.
     
  7. dahoe

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    Hard to teach an old dog new tricks
     
  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Fedor DESTROYED a prime Herring inside of a round.... I like the way an over the hill Herring matters now because it fits your agenda...
     
  9. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    just inside a 10 min round while Brock beat him post to pillar for 15 mins....and of course Herring was way over the hill...once a pride fighter hits late 20's it's basically over for them.:-(
     
  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Absolutely he was over the hill. Where's Heath now? Thats right retired.
    Fedor pulverised Herring in a round in what wasnt even a close fight when Herring was ranked in the TOP 5 in the world at the time. Mean while your gushing with praise over Brocks win over a guy that was at the end of his career. Stunning logic! :thumbsup
     
  11. Flexe

    Flexe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cause he was thrown straight into the deep end. Brock was nothing more than a money maker for Dana. Brock never developed into a 'fighter'. He jumped straight into the UFC facing world class opposition with no experience of actual fighting, Brock was never molded into a real fighter from the start. And yes time wasn't on his side so maybe he had no choice to step up to the plate straight off the bat.

    Personally, I think Brock done alright considering his background. From WWE champion to UFC champion is a great achievement.
     
  12. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    There's been plenty of Pro Wrestling champions in MMA LONG before Brock came on the scene. Their credentials as Pro Wrestlers in MMA mean nothing. Dam shame we're never going to get to see Mir Brock the rubber match. :|
     
  13. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    He did just beat Kongo who was coming off of the Cro Cop win.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Kongo dude..... Kongo....
     
  15. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    brock did very well for what he showed in the ring. like it or not, if you study the champions in fighting sports, a lot of them have one thing in common: serious physical advantages over their opponents. from freaky strength to speed to an incredible ability to dish out punishment/recieve it, they are different from the other fighters, and it's hard to find very many champion combat sport athletes who are very average in everything.

    brock had the size and strength to overwhelm several very good fighters, but his achilles was his ability to get hit. once that started to happen, he lost.

    he is in the history books, mma will not go away and he'll always have a place as champion.