Rank the records of these champions

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lora, Dec 30, 2011.


  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    And the legendary Ray Minus.I probably agree it's Khaosai's best, i just wonder how ready he was for that world title fight.He was beaten by not-too-good Elvis Alvarez right after it.I'd like to see that one.
     
  2. lora

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    imo Ohashi was another unspectacular fighter to go in with with the Pical's Marcano's and Matsumura's.He was a limited jab\right-hand fighter with form, but no imagination or versatility.Still, he was better than a good number of Lopez' outright can opposition and came to win.

    Chang's 2nd fight with him was more of a clear indicator(along with a few other fights during his last couple years as champ) Chang had let himself slide imo_Ohashi still got the **** beaten out of him in the end.

    Just my opinion though, others might rate a few of these fighters a bit higher.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Yeah, and obviously did his best work at Bantam, maybe even less resilient at 115. Minus as well! And there was me thinking Orlando was special ;-)
     
  4. Flea Man

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    This is how I saw it. I wouldn't say Chang was there for the taking but he'd lost an edge in speed and was far less adept at swarming his man. Ohashi was too hittable and totally fell to bits after making it more competitive than he had first time around.

    Not the most formidable scalp for Lopez regardless of what you think of him I imagine. Sorjoratung for Lopez's best? Off the top of my head he may be his best opponent. Alvarez always seemed pretty average to me. I find it hard to gauge Straws as I have an in-built disdain for the weightclass.
     
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    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey guys, what´s the general opinion on Pong´s level of opposition ??

    His overall competition isn´t that bad in my opinion.....obviosly not great but I think guys like Naito, Lazarte, Hussein Hussein, Suriyan Sor Rungvisai, etc, are decent opponents.....
     
  7. Flea Man

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    They are only decent though, and it's a good appraisal of them IMO. Naito a fairly awkward decent guy, Rungvisai might go on to show more but already looks nervous when pressured with a bit of flair and little power. Koki Kameda was a good win mainly for the notoriety gained for beating him, mainly down to internet hype. Kameda is not all that as a fighter. Never really rated the Mexican fella' he did recently either. Offers little, completely open. Hussein Hussein was not a bad fighter. Miranda as well. Keb Bass might get credit as an opponent who has been a 'world title holder' but in fact he's no better than an Abella, decent little journeyman.

    Wonjongkam gets credit for his pretty regular fighting and pretty good level of consistency. But opponent wise, it's pretty poor stuff. He's a good fighter though, definitely, I'm a fan of his, frustrating following him though.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    The reflexes and elusiveness had taken a big hit by then.

    Sorjaturong would be Lopez' Rafael Pedroza or Contreras.I go for Alvarez myself, though some posters rate Grigsby as well.Not me.

    Wongjongkam's strongest attributes in the record-area are his longevity and consistency imo.For quality he ranks last imo, not surprising as this is a weaker Flyweight decade than the ones the other fighters fought in.
     
  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    :good
    I hope his next fight is Viloria.....will be a good fight.......
     
  10. Flea Man

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    Yes, he didn't blend offence and defence half as well, and had to resort to tying up his man and sneakily swarming him (if that makes sense) as he used to whenever he was in trouble/had an off-night in his prime.

    Me too as it would be a good one but a few things that make me less optimistic:

    -As you'll know, unifications down there are rare and unlikely

    -Viloria isn't even all that :lol: Okay, he's risen from the ashes a few times (like against Solis) but he's fairly inconsistent and vulnerable fighter. Segura himself was just a big weight cutter, fairly powerful because he was so big. Even if Wonjongkam beat Viloria handily, it wouldn't add much to his standing IMO.

    Viloria and Marqez square off; well, the winner there would be a good sized scalp for Wonjongkam IMO. But as they stand, I would say they are just the best of a bad bunch, Marquez beat big punching (but raw) Concepcion and Vilora, as aforementioned isn't Elite IMO. Wonjongkam isn't even establishing himself over them at the moment, it's a shame as he's clearly lost a step as well.
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gushiken's win over Vargas was a good one imo, I didn't think he looked too far from the first Canto fight really, but I'd say both Pong and Khaosai get a bit of mileage out of the quantity in their resumes, if not the quality. That said, you really could raffle a lot of these guys and then find some half-obscure way to justify it. Even Ricardo Lopez probably has an argument for being 3 quarters down the list.
     
  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do yourself a favour and get a hold of his first Yuh-DeMarco fight. One of the best action fights on film imo.

    DeMarco wasn't in any way really skilled, but he was game as anything and probably forced the best performance out of Yuh's career. Although he didn't go on to establish any sort of career, I didn't see DeMarco as being any less a talent than say a Jorge Arce.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Have the fight, just didn't know of his relevance as a 'good' scalp :good
     
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    Awesome, have you seen it?
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Seen everything I have of Yuh; he was built for entertaining fights.

    Need to get more though: only got about five of his fights.