Tua, Ibeabuchi, Williams, Young...NOT overrated

"Less exciting" than Young? :huh I confuse. Head hurt.

 

in the case of Tua and Ibeabuchi if there was no Lewis who would have been the champ. I think in his prime Tua was one of the best never to have held a belt, he did have his flaws though. I agree you have to be the right man at the right time. Frazier and Tyson prove this BUT they were both great fighters in any time, you still had to be that to be champion.

 

Tua was simply unlucky to run into a very bad styles match-up in Lewis.

He could get a belt from some alphabet belt holder that's for sure.

That and the thing that he was one lazy fighter after Ibeabuchi fight.

 

I think the managerial problems really affected Tua he seemed to lose desire lets not forget he is another fighter who has been completely ripped off.

 

Pretty much agree with this, there is luck involved with boxing success, luck, being looked after by the right people and persistence. For instance a fighter could be the best in the world for 2-3 years, never get his chance to prove it and hence give up on his dreams and fade into obscurity

There are also have's and have nots in boxing

The have's are the popular fighters who are big draws so can get big fights on their terms who have skilled management that protect them from dangerous styles and pay the judges to give them the benefit of the doubt

The have nots are up against it because they aren't big draws and don't have good management don't get the fights when they're at their best, they're avoided by the other top fighters, when they do beat a top fighter they get robbed of a decision

The likes of Cleveland Williams and Jimmy Young were the 'have nots' in boxing. Tua was just unlucky to never win a title, he holds KO wins over something like 5 champions, 2 of them lineal champions. Ibeabuchi was just a fruit loop but at his best 1 of the most formidable HWs in history and his 2 best wins maybe better than many champions 2 best wins

 

Whom that might be?

Some ukranian guys, maybe

 

I wouldn't pinpoint anyone in particular but Prime Tua and Byrd are very good wins. I think they're better than anyone Vitali has beat and many rate Byrd as Wlad's best win, so that says it all, although I think Haye is his best opponent. As a pair of wins they're arguably better than Jeffries, Dempsey's and Pattersons best wins

Let's remember the Tua Ibeabuchi beat, albeit in a close decision, is the best version anyone beat

From a sporting perspective it's a shame he went to prison because a rivalry against an older Lennox or either of the Klit brothers would be very interesting.

 

Many oldtimers will hate you for that

Better than anything Vitali's done, yes.

And Wlad too

Byrd did more than Haye but you probably can compare them.

Ibeabuchi was scheduled to fight Grant whom i think Ike would crush.

Ibeabuchi was ranked №2 by IBF by the time he went to prison.

As we all know Grant fought Golota instead, beat him in a shaky performance that made some people reconsider how good Grant was really as The Main Heavyweight Prospect.

Winner of Grant-Golota got the shot at Lewis.

It would have been very interesting scenario had Ike hot gone crazy.

 

Truthfully, as he proved by beating the huge, menacing George Foreman, and in twice owning Ron Lyle, it isn't too farfetched at all to consider Jimmy Young frustrating and beating Sonny Liston. The blueprint for beating Liston was first laid down by Eddie Machen, who though he was a fine, at times inspired, underrated fighter, wasn't nearly as canny, slick, sneaky or as defensively adept as Young...add to this Young's world class set of whiskers that evidenced when ever, on those rare occasions when an opponent was lucky enough to get in an errant punch solidly.
Young was simply negative poison for the big, lumbering power sluggers of his time, and I suspect, the same could be said for a scenario of him vs Liston.
There aren't too many others in the annals of heavyweight history who could have beaten the aforementioned names..and it all boils down to STYLE...in this case

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it isn't too farfetched at all to consider Jimmy Young frustrating and beating Ernesto Shavers , but , d opposite happened , twice .
Not that i think that Shavers was inferior 2 liston .

 

The Young of '76-'78 would have shut out Shavers IMO...when he fought Earnie he "hadn't quite arrived yet", if you know that I mean..he was a work in progress. Young would have made Shavers look as helpless and obsolete as he did Lyle subsequently. The Young that beat Foreman could have beaten Shavers "whilst" eating his lunch.

 

Liston was a lot better than shavers. Liston was not knocked out by a ron stander type.

 

and that's because he hadn't fought a ron stander type . that guy that beat him and d guy that lasted him were not ron stander type .
stander lost 2 frazier&norton only due 2 cuts . and if cuts matter so much then jose napoles does not belong in top 10 welterweights of all time .
stander is n underrated fighter of n overrated era .

 

shavers was his booty daddy and would have beaten him again . young might have managed 2 barely deserve a draw if he's in his best day and shavers isn't in his , then your likes will claim that young deserved 2 win .