Marquez face more bruised than Pacquiao's

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  1. twofear

    twofear Well-Known Member Full Member

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  2. PaoloMirani

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    Really? Do you think something as simple as not having to dry up those last couple of pounds at weigh-in have something to do it with it? Or did you actually think Pac was trying to drag JMM up to a weight he's not comfortable. Think buddy....they're the same dimensions, what size advantage would Pac actually bring by intentionally handicapping JMM to 144?.
     
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  3. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yet another who ***** who thinks they've debunked a point. Whatever makes you sleep at night Nonito.
     
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  4. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you hold Pac under the same criteria? He does have a history of bruising and swelling and he is 33 years old. Dude has 60 fights under his belt and has probably more scar tissue than JMM. So all things being equal, who had the more effective shots?


    ......"You're clueless if you can't grasp what I'm saying", usually when dimwits resorts to this kind of reasoning it is to compensate for a lack of a half-way intelligent response.
     
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  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Going into their third fight:

    -Marquez weighed above 135 how many times in his career? 2

    -Pacquiao weighed above 135 how many times in his career? 6


    It's funny how Pacquiao is always the exception to the rule.


    Alvarez is 5' 9".
    M. Hatton is 5' 8 1/2".

    Hatton had weighed at and above 150 many times in his career.

    So Alvarez held no size or weight advantage whatsoever over Hatton, according to your logic if it were consistent.
     
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  6. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Damn, I didnt realize Margs touched Pac up like that! I guess its easy to forget since Pac broke Tony's face! The Manster is a ****ing warrior... He gave Pac a good fight! He didn't run like the **** drinker!
     
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    People who felt JMM won can point to overwhelming numbers supporting their argument when it comes to polls from sportswriters, active and retired boxers, and fans alike.

    People who felt Pacquiao won can point to a little facial swelling around the eyes.
     
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  8. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes I think Pacquiao was trying to drag him up to a weight he's not comfortable at. Pacquaio had been comfortably fighting above 140 for over two years. 145 was the most Marquez had ever weighed on fight night at the time the fight with Pacquiao was signed, and he was largely regarded as undersized at lightweight. Of course, at the time of the signing he had officially weighed in above 140 exactly once and looked bloated and slow vs. Mayweather. A repeat of that of course was the specific size advantage Pacquiao's camp (who, let's be clear, were far from strangers at trying to gain advantages on the scales) was counting on, though Marquez was smarter about moving up this time.
     
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  9. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :lol::lol: you gringo
     
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  10. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you're saying Pac is a full-fledged welter, while I'm saying he's a blownup lightweight campaigning at welter. Then you bring up Alvarez and Hatton as some sort of parallel. Go check out the tale of the tape and you'll find your answer. Hint--it's not only the weight, it's the dimensions. Get over this semantic ****, don't act like you don't get the point. Don't argue just for the sake of arguing....I think thats the problem with you people. Now you're saying Pac is real welter.....make a poll and figure it out. Ask Doug Fischer at Ring and ask him what he thinks. I don't have the patience to do your homework for you.
     
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  11. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Pac won man... I have to be fair. I watched the fight like 5 times! Its my opinion that Pac won a close fight. If people don't like it, ohh well. :cool:
     
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  12. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    SUPERJUDAH ZAB JUDAH 5x Champ!
    Robbery!!!!

    andreward Andre S.O.G. Ward
    Marquez won this fight, period!!

    jeanpascalchamp Jean Pascal
    On my card Marquez WON!!!!

    AmirKingKhan Amir Khan
    Look mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds.

    PaulMalignaggi Paulie Malignaggi
    Dont ask me about the fight I will not give you my opinion except that I thought Marquez won #tk!

    AndreBerto Andre Berto
    Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank wasn't* gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though

    RealJoeCalzaghe Joe Calzaghe
    Just watched Marquez v Pacman and have to say thought Marquez was robbed! Thought he won the first 2 fights also!

    ChrisArreola Chris Arreola
    Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****.

    DarrenBarker82 Darren barker
    Just watched the fight Jmm won that in my eyes clearly!

    andredirrell Andre Dirrell
    I really think so! But its so hard 2 sayRT @serhandayi7: @andredirrell JMM had a great night.....he'll always be a style problem for Pac

    jcchavezjr1 Julio Cesar Chavez
    Gano marquez hoy. Fue un robo juan manuel gano claramente. esto esto es malo para el boxeo. Saludo a todos
    [Translation: Marquez won today. It was a robbery, Juan Manuel won clearly. This is bad for boxing.]

    SUGARRAYLEONARD Sugar Ray Leonard
    The fight against Manny vs Marquez surprised everyone except Marquez! What a display of mental, spiritual and physical training of a boxer!

    _FernandoVargas FerozFernandoVargas
    MARQUEZ 8 - 4!!!!!! THEY BETTER NOT ROB MARQUEZ!!!!

    THEREALBHOP BERNARD HOPKINS EX
    @FloydMayweather blow thru @MannyPacquiao easy!!

    TheArtistPerez Michael Angelo Perez
    If I was #Marquez I'll be holding my head high , cause the whole world know he won. **** what the judges say.

    1Babybull Juan Diaz
    Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges

    Post more if you find them.

    EDIT: UPDATES

    ChinoMaidana Marcos Maidana
    Pobre Márquez lo robaron!
    [Translation: Poor Marquez, they robbed him!]

    Marvin Hagler "Wake up people and realize that we can no longer tolerate corruption in our sport. There needs to be a primary governing body."

    OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is."

    Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!"

    Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#"

    Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"

    Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!"

    Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."

    Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"

    Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard."

    Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money."

    Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!"

    Kendall Holt "If u thought Pacman won or if Marquez needed the 12th to win its clear u don't know ish about this sport."

    Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"

    ElKoChul Fernando Montiel M
    Q pinche robooooooo. Gano markez y c la kitaron d new. Shialeeeee !!! [translation: What a ****ing robbery. Marquez won]

    realdealgeale Daniel Geale
    I thought the decision was close but in my opinion it should have gone the other way.

    K9boxing Cornelius Bundrage
    Just got back in town was at the PacMan fight. Marquez got Robbed. I will Destroy PacMan. I been knew it y'all just didn't know.

    Champfasteddie Eddie Chambers
    The Pacman vs Marquez fight could of went anyway... So I was expecting pacquiao to get the decision...

    George Foreman III (George's son) "PAC got outsmarted. It was a tactical victory 4 Marquez but PAC was the aggressor. I think it should've been called a draw."

    2012Jlove J'Leon Love
    They played my man Marquez lastnight on the fight. He boxed a perfect fight it sucks that #boxing judging is so terrible.

    Raul Martinez "Marquez 7 Pac 5. I want my ppv money back. That's why #Boxing losing fans to #mma. Mayweather eats pacman up
     
    bballchump11, Jan 4, 2012
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  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Reach, sure, that's cool... Still, YOU brought up fight night weight. YOU shouldn't have brought it up the way you did if you didn't believe what you said was true or meant something entirely different.

    To respond to your last statement:

    I already know what Fischer would say.

    Pac has been ranked at welter by The Ring for about three years.

    He's a welterweight.

    If he wasn't a welterweight, he would have been fighting at a different weight over the past three years.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Jan 4, 2012
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  14. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's as simple as this. They could've held the fight at 300 lbs and it wouldn't have mattered because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE therefore they could have come in at whatever weight they're most comfortable in. Not fighting at 140 was just a way for Pac to bypass the slight dehydration process if there was an actual 140 limit.
     
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  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    You're worthless.

    According to everything you have said, if you were consistent, the following statement would be true:

    PaoloMirani believes that Guillermo Jones is still a welterweight. Just fighting at cruiserweight for fun. But he's a welter. He only fights at cruiser to bypass the dehydration process.
     
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