Id pick Foreman because he is more proven. If lennox could get to Vitali, id like to think Foreman could and Foreman is much more aggressive "killer instinct" than Lewis. Could Vitali take what Ali did? Could any heavyeight besides Ali?
I wouldn't say Ali took that many shots from Foreman - his rope-a-dope defense played it's part. Granted not that many is necessary when we're talking about Foreman. Yes, some heavyweights probably could take what Ali took from Foreman - not that they necessary would beat Foreman.
Pretty much agree. Not sure which Foreman we're talking about, the 90's version or the 70's. But in either case, I'd say the odds are about 50/50.. In order for Foreman to beat Vitali, he'd have to find a way to land pretty regulary, because one punch isn't beating Klitscko. This is a guy who took multiple shots from Sanders, Hide, Peter and Lewis, and either won those fights or at least finished on his feet. Foreman would also be in a rare situation where his opponent would be the more physically imposing. The 70's version might actually have less of a chance, given that his defense was poor and his stamina might be become an issue, should the fight go beyond the mid point. Vitali was never floored and never KO'd, plus has won a higher percentage of rounds than any heavyweight to wear gloves.. I'd still like to pick Foreman, but banking on the same nasty cut that occurred in the Lewis fight to happen twice in one career is a bit of a stretch. EDIT - Interestingly enough I posted on this same thread 4 years ago, and my views on some things have changed a tad..
1974 foreman was not green . young yes , green no . and he would have beaten ali under regular circumstances (ropes&temperature) . only 1970s foreman stands a chance with vitali , old foreman was a circus act that as i stated b4 , gets stopped mid 2 late rds by vitali . smarter with age ? like ron lyle was smarter than foreman and got stopped by ali instead of beating him ? ron lyle was not himself vs ali , maybe due 2d fear of loose ropes again . he took it so hard that he tried ropeadoping ali himself . only 1970s foreman stands a puncher's chance against vitali and was aggressive enough , no long range fighting or patience could help him against vitali , only bursting on vitali and trying to slug him , in a slugging i guess foreman would b more effective , and he does not have any better choice .
Sander, Hide, and Lewis don't hit as hard as Foreman. A 1970s Foreman Would destroy Vitali. Name one fighter Vitali beat that is on the same level As Foremans great wins. Young George would ooverwhelm Vitali. Too strong, too much pressure. I see Vitali getting caught against the ropes and getting knocked out. And please Viatli got sttopped against Lewis I believe an inside uppercut from George would daze Vitali then he gets finished along the ropes. Young Foreman win by ko in 3. Old Foreman loses by 116 to 112
Foreman loses by late TKO because of exhaustion/punch accumulation. Foreman cannot outbox Vitali that much is clear. He is also giving up 4" and 30lb rendering his pressure style completely ineffective against bigger opponent. Vitali thoroughly outboxes Foreman and stops him late.
Interesting that Foreman is being questioned for losing to the two best boxers he fought in the 70s in Young and Ali, yet did VK not also lose to the two best he has faced? Foremans chin is questionable? Well the only two times VK has fought guys of anywhere near the quality of Foreman himself his body has failed
Foreman was still green going into '74 as a pro...... In '73 Foreman hammered Frazier and Roman.... Foreman threw horrible punches for a young pro fighter, but it didn't matter cuz Roman was way over-matched.... Foreman didn't learn anything in waxing Ken Norton in March '74 down in South America.... Norton froze like a rabbit and offered Foreman very little resistance.... I will give that dude Greg Peralta from Argentina as being Foreman's first real test on the job back in 1970.... The next real learning process Foreman would see while on the job would be his title defense against Ali.... You see, Foreman didn't learn any new skill or technique by waxing Frazier, Roman and Norton." So, again, Foreman was young at age 25 in 1974 and also still green, despite having roughly 35 + pro fights.... The Foreman who was kayoing "Cooney, Rodrigues and going 12 hard rds with Holy in 1991 was a serious contender for a dude age 40-42 yrs..... MR.BILL
Cooney, Rodrigues and Holyfield would have been Koed by 1972-1974 foreman easy.Foreman had just had a 10 year lay off and ended up 300 pounds,and still came back and put up a good showing against these fighters.
Holy did box the perfect fight to fluster a guy like Foreman in 1991... Holy got clobbered a few times good and took the shots well from a guy 257 pounds... Holy was very spry and athletic at age 28 and 208 pounds... A Holy of April 19, 1991 would pose problems for '73 Foreman without a doubt... Neither Frazier or Roman knew how to box with style and finess, that's what causes Foreman problems... Foreman would never have easy pickens with Holy baby..... MR.BILL
don't u c d reason 2 y foreman was flushing with ease ali's tormentors ? chuvalo , norton & frazier *2 ? it was because he was that good . if 1 rids of his opponents so easily then he does not need any learning experiece . would it have been better if they took him 10 rds each in which he would have absorbed lots of punches ali style ? his success was n indication of him being d best . old foreman was fat and almost disabled , he was a sad reminder of what he used 2b . Young foreman might have overhelmed vitali . Old foreman gets systematically beaten .
It's a matter of opinion of course. But I think I'll stick with Foreman being one and Vitali....not. Different levels, these two