The Magic of Mike Tyson with Emanuel Steward

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Haha, he just sort of rabbits on doesn't he? "Yeah, Mike Tyson, he popularised the colour black, wow." He comes across as quite likable, you do right just to let him rant on like that some interesting stuff.

    Interesting what he says about HW hearts. I was a little sad there wasn't more on his first 20 or so fights, that is the most interesting time in his career to me, even if the level of comp wasn't that good. You ever sit him down with fight footage?
     
  3. Rumsfeld

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    There are at least a dozen more specific questions I'd have liked to have asked him, but the interview wound up being right around 40 minutes as it was.

    Did my best to try and pace it so I can cover as many key points as possible, but I really wanted to ask questions about him facing an older Big George, whether he believes Tyson could have beaten someone like Bowe, and some other stuff.

    I enjoyed this interview, but to date I probably liked the Leaonard-Hearns themed interview we did the best.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

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    Incidentally, I do find myself in agreement with just about everything he said regarding his whole outlook on Tyson (and based on the posts I've read in the Classic section, it seems the general consensus of views on Tyson are also in tune with Emanuel's).
     
  5. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Good read, thanks for posting.
     
  6. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    good interview. i agree with most of what he says about Tyson.
     
  7. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A lot of what he says makes sense but what Emanuel fails to acknowledge and what made Tyson so good was his ability to avoid punches and counterpunch. That kind of ability really created no barriers for facing a bigger man and although guys like Tucker and Smith were able to take him the distance they pretty much didnt do anything other than make it the distance.

    The size factor really didnt start working in his opponents favor until Tyson became more stationary and easier to hit and push around.

    As he said guys were becoming very unsure of themselves early in fights but it was more because they couldnt land on Tyson and they were getting hit when they threw punches at him not so much because of Tysons power. Most fighters arent afraid of power but they become very wary when they cant stop getting hit and countered. Thats what can turn a fight quicker than an opponent getting knocked down. The mental effects are much greater.

    When fighters like Douglas and even Bruno in the first fight were able to hit Tyson cleanly I think thats what cleared that cloak of invincibility with Tyson because they could stand their ground and hit Mike and see the effects of hitting him whereas in the past they would come out throwing and then resort to holding or just survivng after throwing at air and getting countered.

    Taking all that into consideration its very difficult to determine how Tyson would do against Lewis and Holyfield or Ali at his mental peak. Had Tyson stopped fighting after the Spinks fight I think a lot of trainers like Emanuel Steward wouldnt feel the same way especially after Tyson defeated a lot of their peers who they had a tremendous amount of respect for. Tyson defeated a number of fighters who had the guidance of top trainers in their corner. Fighters with the guidance of the Dundees and Futches of the boxing world should have been able to trouble Tyson more than they did because as Emanuel Steward said they werent great fighters but guys with good solid boxing ability.
     
  8. Kalasinn

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    Nice post. :good
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Notice how Steward always predicted everything before it actually happened, Emanuel KNOWS!!!!!
     
  10. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Your post was written EXACTLY as Steward expected:lol:
     
  11. MrMagic

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    He forgot to mention how he tried to bring Mike to court because he didn't want another Lennox Lewis fight, eh?
     
  12. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Excellent read. I think he overstates Mike's lack of height a bit, but you can't agree with everyone..
     
  13. Azzer85

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    I agree with most of it. Although i dont agree with the part about Tyson having trouble with bigger guys.

    Green, Smith and Tucker all tried to survive, if they had opened up, they would have got their asses handed to them

    Smith threw ONE punch in the last few seconds of the 12th round, it stunned Tyson because he was probably more shocked than actually hurt.

    Also i admire Holyfield, but hes talking **** about backing Tyson up until he folds.

    I post an interview of Holyfield on here, quite a few months back. Holyfield stated himself the fight was tough and gruelling and he won from a condtioning standpoint.

    Holyfield fought a superb fight in 96, he used the matador technique by goading Tyson in, making him miss and then countering and then moving away until Tyson tires. Stand in front of Tyson and go toe to toe he did not.
     
  14. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Same opinion.
     
  15. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont blame Smith though, imagine how he must have felt when he saw Tyson/Berbick and realised he was next on the list :good

    Tuckers got no excuse, he had all the tools to do the job

    Against Green, Tyson was...green