Once More To Silence Mendozy's Claims Johnson Fouled Out Because He Was Losing

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Here is a fight report of the Johnson /Jeannette fight in which Johnson was controversialy dsq'd.
    It clearly shows,contrary to Mendoza's claims ,that Johnson was in control of the fight.

    It also clearly shows that the alleged "low blow was ,just that ONE low blow,not the multiple low blows he continues to state were thrown.


    Hate sure does strange things to a man.[I use the term " man "very loosely here.]


    JOHNSON BEATS JEANETTE
    Negro Champion, However, Was Disqualified on an Alleged Foul
    11/25/05-PHILADELPHIA LEDGER
    After outclassing Joe Jeanette for a round and a half, Jack Johnson, The
    Negro Heavyweight Champion of the World, lost the bout at the National
    Athletic Club [Phila.] last night on an alleged foul.
    Jeanette, after being thumped in lively fashion in the first round, assumed
    a crouching pose in the secondround. He undertook to run in and clinch,
    ducking a vicious right hand swing. Johnson ripped a right hand hook up for Jeanette's jaw. The latter dropped to the floor,writhing in apparent agony.
    He claimed to have been struck a foul blow.
    He was removed to the dressing room and the club physician substantiated
    his claim. Johnson was promtly disqualified. Jeanettte professed to be in
    great pain and lay in his dressing room in apparent agony. It is understood
    that the police proposed to keep Johnson to keep Johnson, Jeanette and
    the club officialunder surveillance.




    You would expect that Mendoza would now concede he was wrong , but ,as he never has admitted the possibilty of such an occurence, we know that will never happen.

    Still, the facts are there for everyone to see.

    N.B. This was a ringside report from a Philly paper,where the fight was held.

    P.S. I know I've posted this before ,but Mendoza persists in regurgitating the same bull****, so this just exposes his lies.
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Ah, I see the find one news read that suits your smelly agenda tactic is being played again.

    What if I dig and find the report that says Jeanette was the better in round one, and there were multiple low blows?
     
  3. mcvey

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    I absolutely DEMAND that you do so.

    PRODUCE A PRIMARY SOURCE RINGSIDE NEWSPAPER REPORT THAT STATES .
    1. JEANNETTE WAS WINNING THE FIGHT.
    2.JOHNSON FOULED HIM WITH MULTPLE LOW BLOWS.


    The ball's in your court.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I have shown you the fight report here, moron. You forget. I will look for it again.

    In the meantime:

    SQUARE JOE: The Iron Man of Boxing by Gregory Speciale

    After many months of challenging and weary waiting with but scant encouragement, Joe Jennette, the West Hoboken nemesis of Jack Johnson, at last sees his hopes to be realized. Jennette declares that he will need but twelve days of work to prepare for the bout with Johnson. “I never work more than twelve days for a fight.” he explained in discussing the match. “I trained twelve days for Langford when we met in that last go at the Garden, and, if you remember, I was in fine shape. In fact, I think I was a little too fine. I weigh 189 pounds now but by the night of the fight, I”ll weigh about 192.

    “You know most fellows drop a lot of weight while training but it affects me differently, for I always gain, and fall off when I am doing nothing.” Jennette is quiet spoken, unassuming fellow who is well liked by everyone with whom he comes in contact. His features are more of the Hindu or North American type than the full blooded Negro. His skin is a rich nut brown and when he is in perfect condition it glows with health, which together with his wonderful muscular structure, makes him a sight worth more than a second glance. In or out of condition he never carries any fat to speak of.

    Although he averages about 190 pounds, he is only 5 feet 10 inches in height, facts which indicate that his bones are extra large. He has the peculiarity of being very deceptive in regard to his height. When seen in the ring he creates an impression that he is close to six feet, and it is only when standing by his side that one is undeceived. He called attention to this fact himself and said that it was a mistake that was constantly being made. Jennette is always diffident about criticizing his opponents. He is very sensitive and fearful of being thought boastful. However, repeated questions induced him to discuss his chances of defeating Johnson at some length.

    “Jack and I haven’t got much use for each other,” he said. “We have had some tough fights and they have created a lot of hard feeling. I am always willing to forget what happens in the ring and be friends, but Johnson is not built that way. Whenever we have happened to meet he has always tried to avoid me without speaking. “I know I can give him a hard fight and I hope to outpoint him at least. He never had much on me in our other fights.

    “I could always hit him without much trouble and once I cut him up pretty badly. I only weighed about 165 when I fought him last, now I am twenty-five pounds heavier, and Jack is getting old and fat. I think he showed in his bout with Flynn that he is losing his punch. If Flynn was butting him, as they say, from what I know of Jack he certainly would have cut loose unless he was afraid of getting tired.

    “I’ll go up after his body because I think that is his weakest spot now and besides body punching is my long suit. It was a body blow I got in that made him foul me that time in Philadelphia. I caught him with a right uppercut in the pit of the stomach and it made him gasp.
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    . When I woke up I was in the hospital. Johnson was arrested and they wanted me to press the charge against him, but I didn’t want to do that.”

    ^^^^That is MULTIPLE LOW BLOW ^^^^
    “How do you think Johnson intends to fight you this time?” Jennette was asked. “Well, I shouldn’t be surprised if he intends to stall as much as possible. He probably figures he can go along without doing much and not take any chances. Of course it takes two to make a good fight, but it won’t be my fault if there is not plenty of action. He never could hold my arms like he did with Flynn and Tommy Burns. I only hope he reaches out to grab me, because if he does something is going to happen.”

    Jennette brought out a scrapbook full of newspaper clippings to substantiate his remarks regarding his different bouts with Johnson. He also exhibited a series of photographs taken during his battle with Sam MacVey in Paris, showing himself, taking the count in all sorts of curious positions at different times during the contest in which he was floored twenty-one times and yet won out in the end. Jennette looked them over with a curious smile, remarking, “Johnson admitted when he was in Paris that I could beat him in a finish fight. I hope I can do it in ten.”

     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    ^^^Already posted one of many low blows by Jack Johnson. Now for a report that states Jeanette had the better of round one.

    JOHNSON LOSES ON FOUL
    One of Jack's Rain of Blows on Joe
    Jeannette Goes Low in Bout at
    .Philadelphia.

    PHILADELPHIA, Nov 25—Joe Jeanliette
    of New York went down in the
    second round of the wind-up with.Jack
    Johnson, tho negro heavyweight champion,
    at the .National A. C. tonigh,'.
    from a foul blow, and 10 minutes later
    he was carried from the ring suffering
    Intense pain.

    The blow was delivered about the middle
    of the second round and when both
    men were fighting fast. Johnson rushed
    Jeannette into a corner and one of his
    many; swings, went foul, the blow landing
    several inohos below the belt. Joannfittfl's
    ; seconds worked over' him five
    minutes, and then carried him to his
    dressing room.

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    Comrftencing the second round, Johnson
    sent a. hard right to Jeannetto's
    body and swung another right for the
    ilaw, but Jeannette was out of harm's
    way and came back with that bad left
    to Johnson's jaw. This appeared to
    anger the big champion, and he went
    after Jeannette.

    Many of his blows, which had steam
    enough behind them to drive Jeannette
    through the ropes, missed, and as Joannette
    straightened up after each ducking
    bee he nearly always managed to
    tap Johnson's jaw.

    Johnson fought Joe around the ring,
    and, finally getting him In a corner,
    rained" right and left on his body, one
    of which blows went low and Jeannotto
    fell.to the mat.
     
  8. Pachilles

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    Just curious, what was actually gunna happen when you two met at the airport? Was mcvey gunna be holding up a sign, and you fight on the spot. Or were you gunna meet up, go halves on a taxi to the gym and then fight..with no conversation on the ride there.

    ???
     
  9. Garrus

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    If it ever happens we need video evidence, no newspaper reports.
     
  10. apollack

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    What is your source, please? Is this a Philadelphia account or a non-local source?
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Mendoza has NEVER POSTED A PRIMARY SOURCE.
     
  12. mcvey

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    I love that," fully 6 inches shorter".
    Johnson was 6' and 1/4",that would make Jeannette 5' 8 1/4".:rofl

    Jeannette stood 5'10"


    "I only weighed about 165lbs when we last fought"

    Johnson and Jeannette's last fight was in Nov 1906.
    Five months after this Jeannette scaled 185lbs for a fight with Sam McVey.



    No primary source .No multiple low blows.


    RESULT = NO CREDIBILTY.

    I'm out today hunting ,hence the early start .
    When I return I will post reports of the Johnson/Jeannette fights that conclusively show Johnson was the master in ALL of them.
    I know you have seen these reports ,and I know you ignored them.

    Back to the topic.
    Tell you what. I'll give you .

    ALL THE WEEK- END TO FIND A PRIMARY SOURCE THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE RINGSIDE PHILADELPHIA REPORT FROM THE PHILLY LEDGER.

    IF AFTER THAT, YOU CANNOT PRODUCE ONE ,YOU COME ON THIS THREAD AND SAY YOU WERE WRONG.

    HOW'S THAT?

    N.B. There is a report that does so ,but it has a fly in its ointment , it is NOT a ringside report and there is another fly, which I won't reveal until you have posted it.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Philly
     
  14. McGrain

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    What is it though? Like if I post a newspaper report i'll say, "LA Times" or whatever. What's the paper?
     
  15. Mendoza

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    A bit more for our dear Mcvey:

    JOHNSON FOUGHT FOUL.
    PHJI-ADELPHIA. Nov. 28.—Jaok
    Johnron, the colored champion heavyw
    i g h t , has gotten himself very 'much
    disliked In this city. He brought this
    bad feeling on himself through his
    foul tactics while boxing Joe Jeannette,
    the colored boxer of New York In their
    six-round bout before the National A.
    C. Saturday night. These tactics finall
    y resulted In Johnson deliberately
    - landing a foul blow on Jeannette In
    the secortd round, which caused the
    later to sink to the floor In agony.
    At the time Jeannette was punishing
    him severely about the body.
    Jeannette was so badly Injured that
    he was carried out of the ring and Into
    h i s dressing-room, and Johnson was
    disqualified. The police arrested Johnson
    and charged him with assault and
    battery.


    ^^^^So McVey, as you see Johnson likely lost round one, and he did in fact go low in round two, firing off additional punches. The extra punches seem to be poor sportsmanship, as any fighter who ever laced on gloves and hits an opponents cup knows when he fouled!