Eddie Hearn attacks Fish Eyes on Twitter

Sums it up perfectly:good

 

I'd stick Ricky in with Marquez before Guerrero

 

Are you serious? Calzaghe 1, Tszyu 3, Guzman 6, Ward 8, Gamboa 11, Lara 17, Kessler 23?

Calzaghe and at a stretch Tszyu belong in the lower half of that list, the rest are all guesswork with the exception of Guzman who has pissed (ate) his career away and will never deserve to be on any list like this.

I take it you dont like Hopkins, Marquez, Morales, Tyson etc? :good

 

It's China_Hand_Joe.............

 

Chj is not a troll, he is the greatest poster of the modern era

 

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Yes sorry for expecting 'experts' actually watch the fights of boxers they're talking about. Obviously such facts can get in the way of hyping club fighters and British also-rans as the real prospects. With knowledge like that who needs ignorance.

 

:happyThat has to be the worst list i have ever seen :happy

 

Not a chance hes barely in top 10

 

I worry your understanding of business is past its best.

The money is not in domestic fights. Given Sky is not interested in pay per view the television money from Britain is a fraction of what can be made in America. Given the paucity of fans and media coverage, British boxing no longer does great numbers at the box office either.

The money is in American television. You're right that very few fans came to Carl fight in the Super Six but thanks to Showtime he's a far richer man than before the tournament started or than he would have been if he had fought Brit-circuit fighters for two years. Couple that with the possibility of fighting in front of a 20,000+ crowd in Montreal and you by far the most marketable, profitable fight for Froch to take. The fact that it may be part of a double-header involving a return to Nottingham makes it all the better. Plus it keeps him a favourite of Showtime, opening up the possibility of the network throwing him further fights down the line.

You're right that twenty years ago British promoters could promote homegrown fans and challengers. The reason they can't is not that hardcore fans are demanding they immediately fight the best American fighters (indeed its actually ****** who insists on floating the Hopkins fight when most here know its not happening) - hardcore fans have always cared about rankings and had too 'pure' a view on matchmaking. No the reason they can't is because they've driven the sport in the ground by taking the **** with dumb-ass matchmaking that openly mocks the fans. This is the point that everyone made when YOU were saying that Haye-Harrison was exactly what British boxing needed because it'd increase its profile. People immediately knew after that fight they had been fooled and it so destroyed Haye/Sky's reputation that they had no choice but to go with the Wlad fight. There's only so much **** you can feed a fanbase without them choking.

 

Boxing is in a more competitive marketplace but VVarren's still trying to sell the same **** Burns v no one, Clev v no one two times out of three - and he expect the fans to pay more for it.

The game has changed but your 'boxing's a business' garb hasn't.

Did Brock Lesnar get a pansy, just a fight, not an event fight when he fought in UFC the other night? No. That's why there is not cynicism about UFC (more farces like Toney might change that).

The first thing any casual thinks with boxing now is, is the opponent ****. Is it a real title etc. This is what needs to change.

I read an article a while back where Barry Hearn has admitted he couldn't get away with the bull**** he did in the day (Eubank-Watson vacant WBO super middle title etc) now and that he and other promoters must take some responsibility for marginalisation of the sport and the way being a world champion doesnt mean much now.

British newspaper journalists are worse for UK boxing than internet writers in my opinion. Except Bunce I have never seen a one at a domestic fight at the York Hall (Lillis for BN doesnt count). Even in Jeff Powell and Kevin Mitchell's online columns they rarely mention anyone but Khan/Haye/Froch. So casual fans think there's only 3 good fighters in the country.

 

seems like Frank has been exposing some bull**** from Eddie regarding the Saunders vs Ryder fight.

 

Certainly agree that UFC match making is better, but can't really compare boxing to a closed shop like UFC who effectively own all the fighters and thus can force them to fight.

Boxing is pretty much like contracting, negotiate your own job for the next couple of months, where as in UFC, UFC are effectively your employer and do as your told. Not sure what could be done pragmatically in Boxing to resolve the issue.

 

Two different models. Boxing could never be like the UFC every fighter has there own promoter and own deals.

Its unfair to compare the two.

 

Dana White's model follows what he used to love about boxing, when the big fights, more often than not, came off.