The Magic of Mike Tyson with Emanuel Steward

Indeed. Vitali isn't the fastest and he might get to Wlad.

 

Tucker is technically very skilled and quick, I'm not saying he's as good as those men but I don't think he's that far below them either. And no Steward is basically generalising and stating the obvious. Tyson's height is his main weakness and you need to get an opponents respect so they don't roll over you, no **** sherlock.

Still it's arguable that size is a problem for him, you need much more than that, Holyfield wasn't a massive HW and won by using his great counter punching and timing.

Wlad would get intimidated, he seemed pretty shakey against Brewster and Peter. He also looked very umcomfortable when Haye got inside of him late on. All Steward has taught him to do on the inside is clinch and press his forearm down on an opponents neck to press them down.

Vitali wouldn't be intimidated but is slower, his arm punches may not get Tyson's respect and technically leaning back with low hands against a pressure fighter leaves you very open, that's the same problem Ali had with Frazier and Ali too would have that problem with Tyson. I'd give Vitali a better chance than Wlad ofcourse

Holyfield is on record as saying the fight came at a good time in '96 because he would have likely been more prone to exchange earlier in his career. I think pretty much any near prime version may well have beaten Tyson though

 

Thats the thing though....Tyson didnt fold, he was fighting Holyfield in the 10-11th round despite getting his ass kicked and being out of gas.

Same with Douglas, Tyson didnt just give up, he carried on fighting until he was Kod

The first time IMO Tyson folded was against lewis, but i think he knew he had no chance in hell anyway.

If Tyson folded against holyfield, then Frazier folded against Foreman

 

Tony Tucker was only a bit better than awful.
against orlin norris or even frankie swindle he had no clue how to use his height advantage. its no surprise a young tyson could outjab him.
most of the names on Tuckers record even their own families had never heard of them !

 

Tyson made good use of his lack of height. He often stated it was to his advantage because its much harder for a big man to punch down to a target than straight at it which is true. Tyson in his better years would even get smaller and more compact to create more distance in his opponents punches. It allowed him to counter much easier.

That all pretty much went out the window around the Douglas fight. Watch Tyson even coming back against the likes of Henry Tillman and Alex Stewart. He was walking around the ring like he had his knees locked in a straight position.

As far as the size factor Ali was about the size of Berbick and Holmes. Tyson walked through those guys. Lennox Lewis is a different story at 245 plus but I think the speed factor would have been huge in that fight. Lewis was not the quickest guy and probably why he struggled with guys who threw punches in combination and avoided some of the smaller quicker guys like Byrd.

 

That's what i thought reading an interview.

Banned poster lefthook wrote good posts about Tyson and Tyson-Holy fight in particular.

Vitali would last longer - that's about it.

 

Ruddock fights were simply brutal.

And Ruddock wasn't affraid of Tysom.

To be fair - second Holy fight was disgraceful.

 

Why did lefthook get banned?

 

Tucker isn't as good as those men, he's a fair bit below them, lets be honest.

Well Steward is citing the obvious, but a few don't seem to have read it deep enough to get the exact point.

For sure.

Holy's not massive but neither are Holmes and Ali.

Steward said you need much more than that, he ties the size in with other great assets. He actually points out in detail as to why Tyson will run over big opponents without these other great assets.

He's not saying any big skippy poof beats Tyson. He's looking at the greats, the bigger greats. Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, they are all bigger in ways than the likes of Frazier, Marciano and to a lesser extent Louis.

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

I don't think Vitali's got the snap. He'd have to do a lot of leaning.

Holyfield did a fair bit of exchanging as it was, but very smart exchanging. He always had the right idea tho, push him back and keep it on him. Not many would have had the arsenal, but Holy did imo.

 

Wladimir klitschko is 6'5 or 6'6
vitali is 6'7 or 6'8
both are over 240 pounds in good condition
if height and size is a factor we have to ask who were the best fighters tyson fought anywhere close to that sort of size. lets face it the klitschkos are at least good

 

Tucker was a good fighter. He faced some decent fighters up until his title loss to Tyson. After that I think he became a different fighter. He was more stationary and less mobile and fought some 15-20 pounds heavier.

Tucker was 6'5 and kept himself in the 216-220 range which was light for such a tall guy but he had good boxing ability and movement which troubled a lot of fighters.

The post Tyson Tucker 235 plus didnt utilize those advantages he had at the lower weight therefore he was easier to fight.

 

Something has to do with the thread with Ron Lipton (?) and his exchange with Klompton who got banned also.

Lefthook and some other posters were in that thread and probably got unlucky.

 

i cant remember that. He fought buster douglas a few months before he fought Tyson. thats it. He had about 33 other fights against stiffs.
James broad was about the closest thing hed fought to a contender, and Broad was truly horrible. somehow that gave Tucker the right to a IBF title shot. Probably because he signd with Don King.

 

He was a good fighter, but never great which is the point.

 

I think Tyson fought some guys who had a little more ability, especially on the inside where it counts more against a fighter like Tyson. It wasnt going to be a boxing match.

Golota is probably comparable to Klitschko in skills realistically, maybe a bit slower but he had some size and decent boxing ability but what he had in common with the Klitschkos is really no ability on the inside which led to a lot of his meltdowns and really the Klitschkos as well.

Remember Tyson was full steam ahead. He wasnt going to allow fighters like the Klitschkos to box comfortably from the outside and set up their jabs and power shots. He was going to be in their chest making them fight and Ive never seen either Klitschko able to sustain any kind of attack like Tyson could bring. Lewis fight against Vitali was really a poor mans version of what peak Tyson could do and Vitali was beaten down fairly quickly in 6.