Premier Sports adds Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Rico Ramos

Earlier on in this thread:

This WBA lineage is awful if I'm not wrong; Ramos sparked listless Jap' with blonde hair I think; who beat, what was his name Ryu Lee, who gives a ****; who decisioned Poonsawat; who knocked out Bernard Dunne; who beat Cordoba for the vacant strap IIRC. The hot-and-cold Cordoba if I may add, in an admittedly tremendous fight.

 

Same. Both are still in their primes, Mayweather and Pacquiao aren't.

 

Cordoba's meltdown was alarming. So unexpected considering he nearly had Dunne out of there. He had a bit of a nightmare against Guillermo, actually. Just couldn't get started, landed a fantastic shot and put the Cuban in reverse for the rest of the fight.

 

Although complete different, Guillermo Rigondeaux and Nonito Donaire share certain stylistic traits.

Both can dictate the range with their feet. Both have good jabs. But most importantly, it's their ability to counter punch, with both doing their most effective and powerful punching when catching an opponent sweet as they're coming in.

Now, I think both of these are likely to play at mid-range as that's where they're at, Donaire for range, Rigo just utside of Donaire' jabbing range, looking to step inside and get back out. I'd favour Donaire. More pro' experience, far naturally bigger, and the more refined and varied puncher.

However, no doubt some of us were thinking 'throw some ****ing punches Narvaez!' There were times where his negative southpaw game totally threw Nonito off, and the superstar seemed unwilling to up the tempo on his own terms and force openings.

Unlike Narvaez, Rigo' is the far better offensive fighter. His reflexes already seem to be dwindling IMO though. Whilst the amateurs and pros are a different game, I'd say he looks noticeably quicker in the unpaid ranks, but that's to be expected.

Can I saw the Cuban drawing some mistakes out of Donaire and pouncing? Yes. I'm not sure how durable Donaire is, but he's no joke. I don't see Rigeondeaux putting him away without a struggle. As for Donaire, I can easily envision him smashing Rigo to bits, he's probably a natural super feather or feather, and is super quick, has ace punch selection, timing, accuracy as well as pure power, and it all adds up to make him the best composite puncher in the game today.

A very intriguing chess match would be great too, but ultimately I'm not sure whether Rigondeaux can stand the heat in there. Donaire steps in so quick with his counters and he will time what I will imagine will be a pretty restrained Rigondeaux in there. Donaire KO8 Rigondeaux in a very interesting battle where Donaire has to show his ability to adapt against a very well-schooled and dangerous fighter. Rigondeaux has to play ultimate ring general here and keep Nonito off balance and land the clean, straight punches, then make sure he's off balance before stepping out, re-set, do again. I just think Nonito will get his timing down eventually and bomb my man out, gonna' be a sad day.

Then bring on Gamboa :yep :bbb

 

great analysis flea! :good i agree rigo has to draw out some mistakes and not let donaire off, he's a tougher challenge than narvaez imo. then gamboa, i'd love to see rigo vs gamboa as i love both (slight homo) but you have to admire nonito

 

I would say Rigo should use his jab as a spear....I'm just worried about too many punches from him, enough to not be negative but not enough that Donaire finds his spots too often. If you're not shitting your pants on your bike then Donaire is going to be a nightmare at any stage of the fight for anybody between here and Featherweight.

 

It is a shame Boxnation did not pick up fights like this.

Unfortunately Premier do not have enough content which I like to make it viable for me to sign up. I would prefer if they left boxing to Sky and Boxnation and concentrated on sports related to their core irish roots

 

Great news! I've remorgaged the house backing Rigo so it's pleasing I can see this by legitimate means.

 

Ramos will knock Rigo out, watch and learn!

 

They should be as well, the lack of coverage on the channel has been ****, Im not gonna sign upto BN until he day before the Matthews fight.

 

I wonder if Rigondeaux will get lucky like he did against Casey:think

 

I fully agree with the rest of your post, however I'm not quite sure about this. For me, Rigondeaux's not going to be looking to come inside of his own accord at all, because he has the tools to force Donaire's lead and highlight the few flaws that he has.

Donaire doesn't possess many deficiencies, and even the ones he has can be extraordinarily difficult to take advantage of for most fighters. For me the key when fighting Donaire is to be minimalist if necessary - and it probably will be - because there's not much that's going to hinder your already slim hopes against Donaire more than giving him ample opportunity to counter. You've got to make him lead, circle away from his left hand and take advantage of the fact he often neglects the jab and searches for inch perfect single shots.

That's already something that Rigo does well, he lingers a bit at range, though - despite being a southpaw - a lot of the time slowly moves to his left, which will take away Nonito's hopes of cracking him with that left hook. Donaire doesn't like to lead with the right when he has to. He enjoys having it at his disposal and having it as part of his arsenal but he doesn't like being forced into using it exclusively, which is what we saw against Narvaez. He can get frustrated with it, and become ragged with it, which opens the gate for Rigo's chance; counter left hands. Be they up top or to the body, he'll be able to hit them when he can force Donaire into dancing to his tune, which is surprisingly not as arduous a task as it may seem on the face of it. Though the problem is then the fact that Donaire is one of the best in the sport at adapting, and then you're left with nothing because he can merely stand out of your range and makes use of his physical gifts.

For me, El Chacal's intelligent enough to know hat he can't force the issue at all, that coming forward and/or engaging is a no-go and that he's gotta make Donaire attempt to seize the initiative and capatalise on early slip-up's. He's defensively responsible enough to evade the single, immaculate shots Donaire looks for early, and he's assiduous enough offensively(unlike Narvaez) to take some kind of advantage from that, Donaire may be a good feinter but when he lunges with the right Rigo can make him the feintee by slipping to the left and making him miss, then punishing him for it.

Donaire's a fighter who Rigondeaux will actually benefit from having long spells of inactivity against I think. In my opinion there's nobody more suited in a stylistic sense to potentially beat Donaire than Rigo, because he has tendencies that would work better than most fighters' whole strategies(i.e. the habits he has are more appropriate than what opponents actually try to implement in gameplans). He's possibly the only guy up to 122lbs that can afford to NOT be aggressive and still be able to have some joy, which is what's needed vs Donaire.

I still don't think he'll win, mind.:yep

''Listless'' is a tad harsh on Shimoda by the way, he was absolutely schooling Ramos before getting caught by a hail mary, he had taken all of the 6(?) rounds up to that point and was looking better than he'd ever done, he was very much full of list.

The WBA lineage has been thrown out of sync though due to Ryol Li Lee upsetting Poonsawat, who I'm sure would've put it right in the return. That was a ridiculous result, one has Poonsawat only has himself to blame for. Cordoba-Dunne-Poon is a pretty good lineage for me, though Lee-Shimoda-Ramos is:

:**** Lee-Shimoda-Ramos

 

Agreed 'Pab, hopefully the rest of my posts in this thread demonstrated the want/need for a similar gameplan out of Rigo. We both think he'll be doing little, and both think that's probably for the best :yep

 

****, I'd like to see all of Rigo's fights.

 

Defo', I was just nit-picking for nit-picking's sake.:good

:think Amateur or pro? I'm pretty sure I have all of his pro fights somewhere, though I doubt that's what you mean.