Joe Louis WAS THE BEST PFP FIGHTER OF ALL TIME

He might have been playing possum too.

Ali critics - looking for some examples of all this tiring and rope a dope pre exile, you know, his peak.

Of course any champ pre Ali would have held off Foreman and Frazier with punches. Easy feat that one.

 

This is his latest comment,

Don't know what his agenda there is, but he seems to like taking prime versions of other fighters and sizing them up to performances that Ali had when outside of his prime...

 

As Robert DeNiro said in the movie Taxi, "are you talking to me " ?
Yes, i suppose Ali doing the rope-a dope, was past his peak...Years before he would have scooted away from Foreman . MM, I try to be fair, and have no "agenda" but the truth as I see it...Realizing that Ali of the Foreman fight was 32 years old,and his strategy of rope-a-dope paid off, but at a steep price... I have great admiration for Ali's courage in the ring, but I still pick Joe Louis of the Baer fight,over any version of Clay/Ali...Cheers...atsch

 

Not true. While its true that ali took a few hard shots to the head. he didn't take anywhere near the 100's of blows that you claimed that he did. No one could take hundreds of shots from foreman and survive and besides that, it wouldn't take nearly that many punches from foreman to be knocked out.

 

Jt rest assured i was not playing "possum" .

 

Now we talkin'. Just take out the "suppose" and add "in and out" to the "away"

 

Any punch from Foreman is going to hurt, whether on the arm, shoulder , forearm or sole of your foot, just as anyone who foght Marciano will attest to, whilst I never counted the uncontested punches that Foreman threw, they were far too many, Ali did what Ali wanted, he did not listen to anyone as Dundee will readily admit to, and sadly today is bearing obvious consequences.

 

rope-a-dope is more an indictment of Foreman than it is of Ali.

As Ali explained at the time, young Foreman was overrated. yes, awesome fighter if he manages to get his man out early (Frazier, Norton) but not a truly great fighter with skills and experience and maturity.

 

i was criticising rope a dope because we are comparing ali to louis, an incredibly high benchmark. Also i am not sure there ever was a prime ali due to the ban so I add before and after to reach a middle that should be his peak ability, and Zaire comes in the bracket for me.
Also i am a tactically minded guy so i probably put more importance on it than others do.

 

A fair post.

 

it means he was better than big george, and i take your point still but palace beat man u so palace are better? (if u are american that is a soccer reference and the answer is that palace suck, win or not)

 

About as simple as it gets.