Joe Louis WAS THE BEST PFP FIGHTER OF ALL TIME

very true, the question is ali v louis. i don't want to under rate ali at all i just think joe was a better tactician and the rope a dope is an obvious example of a black mark on ali's side.

 

i think ali could have won differently, but i accept all intelligent opinions

 

if he moves then foreman follows him and gets just as tired, and head movement can be done in the middle of the ring as well as against the ropes.
I didn't know he trained with it before exile, interesting.
Put louis in zaire and i would say he goes down a few times but not seriously hurt and also ko's tired george.

 

Ali has stated Foreman cut the ring off too well and he wasn't going to have the energy needed to keep it up.

 

well he should have been prepared at the back of his mind to win the fight over the distance. the same as applies to every puncher. theres always that chance that the opponent will still be standing after 4 or 5 rounds. every fighter has to make adjustments, or be able to, if they are going to fight 15 rounds against the best quality opponents. Foreman didnt have the background experience of refinery in his style.
im not really talking about his strategy, im talking about his limitations.

I think Ali was kind of serious about Foreman being overrated. he was trying to get a serious point across in this case. for example, in his interview with Michael Parkinson a little while after.
anyway regardless of what Ali thought it is true that Foreman was crude and lacked rounds of quality boxing against quality opponents in real fights.

absolutely nothing wrong with expecting Foreman to win.
But he was no Joe louis or even sonny Liston that the press were believing in. he hadn't really been tested.
It was always questionable how he'd react if he got in a tough fight and didn't overpower Ali early. few could imagine Ali surviving long enough in a fit enough state to even raise those questions against Foreman.

 

am working(ish) atm, will watch it again later. Ali and louis so close i am happy with either view at the end of the day, it just depends on criteria

 

Foreman's stamina was shite imo.That rope a dope wouldn't have worked against Moon you know, McGrain.

 

We're both making bold predictions tonight.

Moon KO4

 

Foreman cut the ring off well, but not amazingly.
what does anyone else see happening if you put louis (at 30) in Zaire?
I still cannot get my head around rope a dope, and if he trained at it through his career it makes less sense to me than if it was specific to Zaire. Also it was his own fault that he didn't have the legs(getting banned and slacking at training). As noted above foreman had poor stamina himself, and there should be other ways to exploit it.

 

What career fights of prime Foreman would you present where he struggled to cut an opponent off that he wanted to?

What proof do you have that Ali slacked while training for Foreman therefore reducing his stamina?

Do you think excessive heat and humidity make a difference to a fighters stamina?